How Rosch probably faked their 5 KWatt KPP AuKW

[markdansie]

Why the calculation in

http://revolution-green.com/rosch-smoking-guns-and-the-scientific-explanation/ or

http://pesn.com/2015/05/13/9602617_scientific-explanation-for-Rosch-KPP-buoyancy-system/

is wrong:

The first power calculation in the article is:

== Formula 1 ====   Thus, we get: N = 9.81 x 2 x Q x 0.5 x H x 3 = 9.81 x Q x H x n ====
Further down one calculates:
== Formula 2 === N = 9.81 x 0.167 m3/sec x 2 m x 5 x 0,9 = 14.7 kW  =====
There is the error of putting "2 m" in again, because 2 was cancelled by 2 * 0.5 in Formula 1.
Therefore the corrected Formula 2 is:
== Formula 2 corrected === N = 9.81 x 0.167 m3/sec  x 5 x 0,9 = 7.35 kW  =====
But there is a further error in "Formula 2 corrected", which is the factor 5, because of  "5 working wheels above each other".
If there are 5 wheels above each other the water rises from one wheel to the other only 0.4 meters and not each time 2 meters. Therefore we can calculate with one wheel a height H of 2 meters, or for 5 wheels a height of H 0.4 meters each. We can calculate with one wheel with H = 2, or we can calculate with 5 wheels with a H = 0.4. So, either H = 2 or H = 0.4 x 5, which is the same.
Finally we end up with a correct "final Formula 2":
== final Formula 2 === N = 9.81 x 0.167 m3/sec  x 0,9 = 1.47 kW  =====
In addition we have to factor in a bigger loss than 0.9 because of the very optimistic height H = 2. If the water rises 2 meter it encounters friction at the wheel and some water is lost because it runs through gaps.
Further there will be losses in the gear connecting the wheel with a dynamo and the losses in the dynamo itself.
Therefore we will get much less than 1.47 KW.
Please note: I have not criticised the calculation itself (although one should do that), I only corrected obvious errors.


Criticism of "Formula 1":
The formula stems from water turbines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_turbine#Power and assumes that water is falling down through the turbine. But one is not allowed to assume the same efficiency if "bubbly water (water air mixture with 50% air) rises through a turbine" rather than "smooth water is falling through a turbine". Much higher losses by friction of "bubbly water rising" in contrast to "smooth water falling" have to be assumed. And if things happen slowly (as is necessary in the "bubbly water rising case"), the formula is overly optimistic, because the formula only works with rather fast moving water.

Greetings, Conrad

I published the correction at Revolution Green

[hartiberlin]

I made a locked thread with all the facts and pictures about the possible AuKW KPP fake from Rosch that prove it, here:

http://overunity.com/15773/gaia-rosch-aukw-auftriebskraftwerk-kpp-why-it-does-not-work

[memoryman]

Did anyone get a good photo of the alleged generator? Any real evidence that it is a motor?

[hartiberlin]

Well there is some news from Rosch,

Mr. Dohmen has posted today a PDF File with an excuse, why they had this hole
there in the upper top plate, he claimed, that it was only for the
Endoskopcamera.
See here:
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Buoyancy/Rosch/Bilder_Deckel_Kameras.pdf

But then, why did they need to put a new hole there very next to the generator,
when they already had a good big hole for the hose and the other internal webcam ?
This excuse does not make any sense..

But now I have looked closer into this new PDF File and I discovered some
new items, that I had not seen before and that are getting clearer now..

You can see in 2 pictures of this PDF File a cabledrum standing at the entrance of the
next room at the opened blue hall door...
The question now is, is that a 3 phase cable drum or just a normal
one phase 230 Volts AC cable ?

Was the generator at the dismantling day 3 hours powered  from the buoyancy
via the gearbox or was the generator also powered by the grid and worked as a motor ?

Interesting is to see the connection of the black generator cable.
At the public viewing they had connected at the end of the generator cable
such a 3 Phase connector bush.

Now in this new PDF File from Rosch you can see, that the generator cable is not connected
to any connector bush, but the cable ends are just unisolated and you see the raw copper.

Then I reviewed again J.D,´s videos again and I saw, that this black generator cable went
at the dismantling day directly into the right cabinet box at the REAR SIDE !
So it went probably there directly to the connection panel without a real connector bush,
but the copper cables were just fixed there inside the panel.

Too bad, we have not pictures yet from the backside of these cabinet boxes there..


If a visitor has pictured the back side of these cabinet boxes, please upload your pics.
Many thanks.
Please look at the enclosed pics.
Regards, Stefan.

[markdansie]

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