Steorn Debut's forever Battery at Slattery's

[hartiberlin]

I think the new cube is probably a solid state device without rotating things inside,
probably some kind of crystal battery with a Joule Thief type DC to DC inverter circuit in it...

Well, we will see.

Regards, Stefan.

[profitis]

I reckon the battery is the exact same principal as orbo except solidstate.probably coupled to a regular rechargeable bat inside the cage.

[MarkE]

The Electric Orbo Motor was a real cool motor, as it has no Generator effect ! It is just a motor ! As the 2 toroidal coils are 180 degrees out of phase in series, when the permanent magnet axis turns, it does NOT induce any current into the toroidal coils ! So it has NO Counter EMF !
So it has no backdrag ! Here is an a bit advanced version of it, the Thomas Motor. It only needs to be build 10 times bigger and with more coils to get overunity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su-v45BsFpI

That is not entirely correct.  The motor does exhibit BEMF and it is visible in the oscilloscope traces if you know how to look for it.  What the motor does not show is the kind of voltage ripple on the top of the pulses that one normally associates with BEMF.  The BEMF affects the rise and fall time of the pulses and has almost no effect at the top because when the core is saturated at the top of the pulse the BEMF constant is very small.

[hartiberlin]

That is not entirely correct.  The motor does exhibit BEMF and it is visible in the oscilloscope traces if you know how to look for it.  What the motor does not show is the kind of voltage ripple on the top of the pulses that one normally associates with BEMF.  The BEMF affects the rise and fall time of the pulses and has almost no effect at the top because when the core is saturated at the top of the pulse the BEMF constant is very small.

You don´t understand !
As the 2 coils are 180 degrees out of phase placed in series, all induction from the magnet cancels out !
So this way this motor has NO GENERATOR EFFECT !

[MarkE]

You don´t understand !
As the 2 coils are 180 degrees out of phase placed in series, all induction from the magnet cancels out !
So this way this motor has NO GENERATOR EFFECT !

Stefan, actually I do understand, and there is plenty of generator effect.  The BEMF "constant" is variable in the device demonstrated at Waterways.  As the rotor magnet approaches the toroid core, the core winding is powered so that it ultimately saturates as the PM makes its pass by.  The work required to saturate the core is influenced by that moving coil:  IE the PM induces in the toroid just like any other motor.  However, the time when this occurs is dominately the power on phase of the toroid winding.  The BEMF alters the timing from what it would be without the rotor approaching the toroid.  When the battery manages to saturate the toroid, it reduces the inductance and BEMF constant by multiple orders of magnitude.  With the right instrumentation set-up the BEMF can still be measured even when the core is saturated.