Permanent magnet motor

[forumblog]

ayeaye

Thus so far, only my field lines chain experiment https://archive.org/details/Flcm3 seems to provide any overunity. How to make friction so small that it would rotate continuously, if that can be done at all, is another question though.

    For some reason,  it's too difficult to properly see  Flcm3  in the video in the above webpage,   the video quality and video size on that page is not great,  and I have trouble making that video run smoothly .

     If you really think you have something,  please draw a diagram showing the essential components and principle.   
      I know you don't like drawing on the computer,  a lot of people don't,  but try  'Paint' ( just press 'shift' when you have the  'oval'  symbol selected,  and it will draw a symmetrical circle ), and if you can print on paper,  you can finnish the diagram manually.

     Most people interested in magnet-motors, wonder if the principles of the magnetic-rail-guns can be applied to a rotating magnet-motor .

     Regarding the  Disc-Magnet  questions
       Its not supposed to be a simple  disc-magnet,   it's actually a composite magnet in the shape of a  disc-magnet,   look at the second example in the diagram below
          http://perm-med.ru/SIBERIAN_COLIA_3.jpg

       You can find it in the following webpages,   and they also contain many similar and related designs (  but theyre not in english ) :
                  http://perm-med.ru/kfs_physics.html

                  http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/135031-sibirskij-kolya.html

                  http://cyberenergy.ru/transgeneratory/nikolaev-skalyarnoe-magnitnoe-pole-t64.html

          But,  check out the  related device in the diagram below,  I think it's not as simple as it looks ( you would have to think of it using a diagram of the  magnetic-fields  of a  Donut-magnet,  the magnetic-field  diagram for the  Siberian-Colia   )
           I would have thought that in the diagram below ,  that  one  of the 2 smaller disc-magnets should be  turned  180-degrees around,  to face the other way, to give it a chance of functioning
               http://savepic.org/6043523.htm   

          Here is a very useful page about this,  in the site you are in now
            http://overunity.com/15083/the-new-generator-no-effect-counter-b-emf-part-2-selfrunning/120/#.VfSnh9Kqqko

          Inspect the first rows of image results in the image-search below
          https://www.google.es/search?q=siberian+colia%22&biw=1014&bih=446&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMI9_inqb_yxwIVQgQaCh0fFgtD#tbm=isch&q=%22siberian+colia%22

         Or,  just paste  "siberian colia" in any google-powered  search engine and you'll see the same results.

       ( But as you know,  using 2 symmetrical  disc-magnets,  neither would have a reason to  rotate,  because it could not gain any advantage in rotating,   since it's symmetrical,   but if I tried,  I could think up reasons why it might have a reason to rotate.
         This again brings up the question,  why does  Faraday's Motor( electric-motor ) work,  it's all symmetrical,  but one of the 2 magnets is an  electromagnet  )

      Now here is the thing, I cannot figure out
          Look at the levitation novelty-toy  below 
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNRDvDIqD1M 
        I would use the idea above,   but I would replace the  diamagnetic  floating object,  with a  Permanent-Magnet  floating object. 
         I think that if you you used a much larger  grid-of-magnets /  array-of-magnets,  in that video,   and then put a   large-flat-magnetic-sled  on the grid,   to levitate above the grid,   that it would levitate successfully,   and  if you put side magnets to keep the sled from  falling out of the grid,    then it would  break  'Earnshaw's Theorem'(  'Earnshaw's Theorem'  states that magnetic levitation using only permanent-magnets,  is impossible,  and has never been done )  .
            The toy shop for that video has alot of useful things.
            (  Permanent-magnet  arrays / grids  seem to be the answer to breaking   'Earnshaw's Theorem',  it would be quite an achievement   )
           
        I cannot figure why this all  permanent-magnet levitation idea would not work
           
           

     

[ayeaye]

     If you really think you have something,  please draw a diagram showing the essential components and principle.

I don't know what diagram to draw. I can describe what it shows there.

These are small ceramic magnets, 5 mm x 5 mm x 3 mm. The orientation of the magnets is this, when looking towards the edge of the disk:

[N S]    [N S]    [N S]    [N S]    [N S]    [N S]

The stator magnet is towards the disk with the north pole.

Now when moving the disk so that the stator magnet is at the peak of the repulsion force of the first magnet, then moving slightly to one or another direction from that point and releasing the disk, makes the disk to move either in one or another direction. When moving backwards, away from the chain of magnets, the disk moves only because of the repulsion force of the first magnet. We used energy to move the disk to the peak of the repulsion force of the first magnet, thus how much the disk moves backwards, is the measure of that initial energy that we gave to the disk.

The result was that the disk moved by the chain of magnets some two times more than backwards. Which indicates that such chain of magnets supposed to give the disk some additional energy.

This experiment was done by hand, that is, the disk was moved to the initial position by hand. Thus its only importance is that it can be replicated. The disk has to be moved to the initial position accurately, who has worked with permanent magnets, knows how to feel the peak of force.

I have also found that the experiment gives the same results with four 7 x 7 x 5 mm ceramic magnets, which are easier to obtain, but the results are a bit worse. Such stronger magnets have to be put at i guess two times greater distances from each other than the magnets in the original experiment. I said that somewhere here earlier.

It is not possible to achieve a continuous rotation with a chain of magnets like this, the disk and bearings like this, which was an old processor fan. Because the additional energy is too small to overcome friction.

[ayeaye]

Forumblog,

The rotation force in all cases, my experiment, my previous post, and the faraday's homopolar motor, is due to the same reason, movement by field lines, as drawn on the image below. This causes two forces, movement by field lines and repulsion, as shown on the drawing below. At that the repulsion may be much greater force than movement by field lines, which may make it difficult if not impossible to utilize the effect, as said in my post before.

The overunity is possibly caused by the fact that during the magnetic interaction (that is in interaction of magnets, magnets and current, magnetic induction and induction in the faraday's homopolar generator) the speed of the electrons orbiting the nucleus of an atom (dipole) does not decrease. Which increases the order at the zero point, thus decreasing the energy at the zero point, and may come from the zero point energy. Some physicists have also shown that the energy of the dipoles comes from the zero point energy. But this is a speculation, it's better to say that the things are how they are. Because any possible explanation may happen to be wrong, and thus providing such explanation may make the results of the experiments not valid.

But this is the reason why i'm doing experiments not only on magnet motors, but also on magnetic induction https://archive.org/details/ndischarge . In fact, this field lines chain experiment above, made me to conclude that there is overinity in permanent magnets, but achieving continuous rotation in permanent magnet motors is not possible, no matter how the permanent magnet motors are made. Or it can be possible, but in some extreme cases using very advanced technical solutions, and the energy that can be extracted from that is extremely small.

Which makes permanent magnet motors first unpractical, and second difficult to replicate. Which removes all the benefit of them in the experiments done in places like here, because the only value they can have is that they can be replicated by a number of people. But at that, like as you see the popularity of this thread, people prefer permanent magnets to any electronics, as they think that they are simpler. Finding solutions in extreme cases as it turned out to be in the case of permanent magnet motors, is likely not simpler at all, but people believe that, so the permanent magnet motors cannot be abandoned.

PS I'm using linux, so i use gimp for image processing, and also drawing. The difference of gaussians gives in fact very good results, i had to use it before.

[SoManyWires]

ayeaye
    For some reason,  it's too difficult to properly see  Flcm3  in the video in the above webpage,   the video quality and video size on that page is not great,  and I have trouble making that video run smoothly .

     If you really think you have something,  please draw a diagram showing the essential components and principle.   
      I know you don't like drawing on the computer,  a lot of people don't,  but try  'Paint' ( just press 'shift' when you have the  'oval'  symbol selected,  and it will draw a symmetrical circle ), and if you can print on paper,  you can finnish the diagram manually.

     Most people interested in magnet-motors, wonder if the principles of the magnetic-rail-guns can be applied to a rotating magnet-motor .

     Regarding the  Disc-Magnet  questions
       Its not supposed to be a simple  disc-magnet,   it's actually a composite magnet in the shape of a  disc-magnet,   look at the second example in the diagram below
          http://perm-med.ru/SIBERIAN_COLIA_3.jpg

       You can find it in the following webpages,   and they also contain many similar and related designs (  but theyre not in english ) :
                  http://perm-med.ru/kfs_physics.html

                  http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/135031-sibirskij-kolya.html

                  http://cyberenergy.ru/transgeneratory/nikolaev-skalyarnoe-magnitnoe-pole-t64.html

          But,  check out the  related device in the diagram below,  I think it's not as simple as it looks ( you would have to think of it using a diagram of the  magnetic-fields  of a  Donut-magnet,  the magnetic-field  diagram for the  Siberian-Colia   )
           I would have thought that in the diagram below ,  that  one  of the 2 smaller disc-magnets should be  turned  180-degrees around,  to face the other way, to give it a chance of functioning
               http://savepic.org/6043523.htm   

          Here is a very useful page about this,  in the site you are in now
            http://overunity.com/15083/the-new-generator-no-effect-counter-b-emf-part-2-selfrunning/120/#.VfSnh9Kqqko

          Inspect the first rows of image results in the image-search below
          https://www.google.es/search?q=siberian+colia%22&biw=1014&bih=446&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMI9_inqb_yxwIVQgQaCh0fFgtD#tbm=isch&q=%22siberian+colia%22

         Or,  just paste  "siberian colia" in any google-powered  search engine and you'll see the same results.

       ( But as you know,  using 2 symmetrical  disc-magnets,  neither would have a reason to  rotate,  because it could not gain any advantage in rotating,   since it's symmetrical,   but if I tried,  I could think up reasons why it might have a reason to rotate.
         This again brings up the question,  why does  Faraday's Motor( electric-motor ) work,  it's all symmetrical,  but one of the 2 magnets is an  electromagnet  )

      Now here is the thing, I cannot figure out
          Look at the levitation novelty-toy  below 
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNRDvDIqD1M 
        I would use the idea above,   but I would replace the  diamagnetic  floating object,  with a  Permanent-Magnet  floating object. 
         I think that if you you used a much larger  grid-of-magnets /  array-of-magnets,  in that video,   and then put a   large-flat-magnetic-sled  on the grid,   to levitate above the grid,   that it would levitate successfully,   and  if you put side magnets to keep the sled from  falling out of the grid,    then it would  break  'Earnshaw's Theorem'(  'Earnshaw's Theorem'  states that magnetic levitation using only permanent-magnets,  is impossible,  and has never been done )  .
            The toy shop for that video has alot of useful things.
            (  Permanent-magnet  arrays / grids  seem to be the answer to breaking   'Earnshaw's Theorem',  it would be quite an achievement   )
           
        I cannot figure why this all  permanent-magnet levitation idea would not work
           
           

     

thoughtful and well said.

i too subscribe to this understanding about magnetics.

sometimes the possible, is not truely impossible. one must remain optimistic about the evolving future.

cheers

[ayeaye]

One thing about this composite disc magnet, of siberian colia i guess. This may remove part of the negative repulsion, and negative attraction, because the other half of the magnet is opposite. Maybe. This like more emulates a circular field, and the magnets emulating circular field are a kind of composite magnets. But it is not a completely circular field.