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Overunity Machines Forum



Permanent magnet motor

Started by Jim36, May 18, 2015, 01:24:19 PM

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lumen

Maybe some effect could exist if the circular field was in something other than the magnets.
Like if a ring of copper were drilled for several diametrically magnetized cylinders with a small distance between them so the circular field existed partially in the copper.
Then there would exist a medium where an external field could interact and hopefully generate the desired effect.

guest1289

THE FOLLOWING  'SCIENTIFIC PHENOMENON'  WILL ALLOW YOU TO HAVE SOME  'ELECTRICAL CURRENT'  IN YOUR  NON-ELECTRIC HOMOPOLAR/FARADAY MOTOR PROTOTYPES   

Just posting this to try and make sure everyone in this thread knows about a real, and incredible phenomenon called    'Persistent Current',    basically,    in a   LOOP  made of either a non-superconductor or a superconductor,  a   'naturally-occurring'   electrical current flows in the loop,  without any electrical input from outside of the loop.    This effect is particularly strong in superconductors,  but has also been proven to occur in non-superconductors( any normal conducting ring ).   THIS IS THE PUREST EXAMPLE OF FREE ENERGY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_current

Admittedly,  it would be best if you sought advice from a scientist specializing in  'Persistent Current',   to make maximum use of it in your  prototypes .

BEFORE I BECAME AWARE OF THIS PARTICULAR THREAD
Before I became aware of this particular thread,    I designed a very simple   Non-Electric-Faraday-Motor( Homopolar-motor )   to make use of the above phenomenon,  and posted it in a thread I started ,  below :
http://overunity.com/15918/perpetual-motion-permanent-magnet-faraday-motor/#.Vbk737Oqqko

And,  then,  I posted another extremely simple  Non-Electric-Faraday-Motor( Homopolar-motor ) to make make use of the  principle by which a normal   Electric-Faraday-Motor( Homopolar-motor ) works.   
I TRULY BELIEVE THIS  MOTOR  I POSTED,  ACTUALLY PROVIDES THE SAME MAGNETIC-FIELDS THAT PROPELS A NORMAL  Electric-Faraday-Motor( Homopolar-motor ).

(  The thread I started   above,   probably won't have any more activity,  and I'm pasting my posts from that thread,  over to this one.    )

guest1289

PERPETUAL-MOTION  PERMANENT-MAGNET  FARADAY-MOTOR

A non-electric Faraday-Motor,  which just uses permanent-magnets.

THIS MOTOR DOES NOT USE  MERCURY ( OR SALT WATER )
This  Faraday-Motor  'does not'  use the liquid mercury ( salt-water in other versions )  that Faraday-Motors usually use. 

Replace the wire in the Faraday-Motor  with a LOOP made of Neodymium-Wire( if that really exists ) or some other permanently-magnetic thing that would have the same effect(  making sure that only one side of the loop( one strand ) interacts with the permanent-magnet at the centre of the motor .

NOTE : I'm suggesting a LOOP,  incase the incredible phenomenon called  'Persistent Current'  could exist in the material used,  because 'Persistent Current' has been proven to occur in  NON-SUPERCONDUCTOR materials.

THIS MOTOR WOULD HAVE TO USE A   'MAGNETIC-BEARING'

(  'Ideally',  instead of a LOOP made of Neodymium-Wire,  it would be a LOOP made of a room-temperature Superconductor-Wire( like Stanene or Graphene ),  WHICH COULD ADDITIONALLY ALSO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE INCREDIBLE PHENOMENON CALLED   'PRESISTENT CURRENT'  ,   but that would only be absolutely 'Ideally'  )


IF THIS MOTOR WOULD NOT WORK
The question would be what is the difference between the magnetic-field around a wire( with electricity flowing through it ) and the magnetic-field around a Neodymium-Wire-Loop.

Could it be that a magnetic-field around a wire( with electricity flowing through it ) has some type of a cog-wheel like outer edge( outer most surface ) because it is generated by electricity,  unlike the assumedly  smooth outer edge( outer most surface ) of the magnetic field of a permanent-magnet.

THE FOLLOWING NOTE,  TURNED OUT TO BE WRONG ( I ASSUME )
NOTE :  Hours after I posted this post,   I realized,  correctly or not,  that the propulsion in a normal   'Faraday-Motor'( electric-motor ) is probably due to a jet like effect( electrons coming out ) between the wire and the mercury( ( salt-water in other versions ), but I don't know. 
At worst,  the  Neodymium-Wire would just hang in a stationary-orbit near the central permanent-magnet,  at best it would spin around.

guest1289

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The following   'Non-Electric-Faraday-Motor( Homopolar-motor )' ,  is designed to replicate the magnetic fields that propel a normal   Electric-Faraday-Motor( Homopolar-motor ) .

The following webpage,  has a  MIND-BLOWING  explanation of how the  'Homopolar-Motor'  works,  just read the post which contains the word   'tangential'  .

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/homopolar-motor-explained.300468/

After I read the above web-page,  I played with some small  permanent-magnets( shaped like flat round watch-batteries  ),  and I seemed to get some  propulsion  )

I'm not even able to build this incredibly simple motor, unfortunately.

(  Strangely,  I think I'm onto something here,  a resulting  'tangential' force resulting from the interaction of magnetic fields that are  slightly more than,  or slightly less than 90-degrees different to each other,   and the flexibility of the string in the Diagram below  )
 
(    If you build the motor below,  try it with either the slightly different string lengths( as shown in the diagram ) ,   or ,  with equal string lengths.       
     Since string is flexible,  it will do strange things on its own.   Eventually the string would be replaced with a  rod  connected  to a magnetic bearing ,  which would give it some strange flexibility  )

In the diagram below,    a bar magnet( suspended by two lenghts of string ) is in  'orbit'   around another bar magnet( which is sitting up-right )  ,  you'll notice that the two strings are different lengths ( thats to replicate  the results I got last night ).

lumen

I have 90 small diametric cylinders coming and will make a better attempt to simulate a current carrying conductor.
With enough magnets I can make it several inches long and try to space them so more of the field is external.
The concept merits a bit more effort before trashing it.