Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor

[nix85]

Hello Nix85,


Sorry, but that video is absurd, makes no sense at all.


There must be Neutralization of magnetic field forces, before even starting to put it together, whether is CAD or in a Real Build, guy don't even mentions that word...

It is not absurd. It may not be complete, but not absurd. You are assuming pulling the magnet away at critical point is not neutralization. I used to think like that myself assuming it takes equal energy to pull the steel away as gained from attraction, but it is not so if done right.

One example, this one is using repulsion not attraction, but this italian grandpa is saying how periodically pushing with a magnet against a magnet generates more energy than invested in the pushing, which he based his stellar motor on...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4mVFP209Y

These motors are not build to beat Lenz...they are built to prove magnets do have energy and usable.

You missed the point, the point was that it is ironic to build a powerful magnet motor ala Muammer Yildiz, Perendev.....just to attach it to an ordinary generator and fight against lenz brute force.

And you are under estimating the forces in Magnetic Fields...

Again, you totally misunderstood. Magnetic force is INFINITE. All i said is there are many ways to relatively simply make a low power magnet motor, basically a toy.

My Build, has been the best so far ever replicating the Lüling Magnet Motor...as a matter of fact, I went above his RPM´s (298) to 415 RPM´s....and I am only using "one module" built so far...as Lüling has Four Modules in his running prototype.

Lüling uses either Pneumatic or could even be Hydraulics (too slow in my opinion) to make required reciprocations to brake neutralization at the perfect timing...

Lüling was applying this reciprocations of the steel arc (seen on the running prototype) in order to brake neutral point before reaching sticky point.

Cheers

Ufopolitics


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytCVQ-OZZmM

PD: I am not trying to start any new discussion here...just rendering my opinion.

I saw your video before, not underestimating your effort, but to be honest, that can hardly be called a Luling replica.

I don't think he used pneumatic or hydraulics for a simple reason they are totally not needed.

As they are not needed in Muammer Yildiz, Perendev and many other higher power magnet-only motors. Sticky point can be neutralized by clever arrangement of magnets and iron, especially if combined with pulling the stator away by a lever at the key moment.

[Cadman]

Nix85, Sigh... well I guess I'll just have to tell everyone part of what I can see. You evidently have not studied the evidence that Semi provided.

BTW, thank you Semi.

Observe the video frames 1603 through 1623 and you will see that the steel bar above the magnets you are referring to is pulled away as the rotor approaches the magnets and returned over the magnets as the center of the rotor segment has passed the magnet, fully returning before the edge of the rotor passes the magnets. Exactly the opposite of what you say everyone knows.

So this is one part of my theory, the magnet field isn't actually neutralized, it's redirected. This can be seen in the same video frames. There is a large shunt visible swinging to and from the back side of the magnets as well as the thin one above the magnets. Pay attention to the timing observable in those video frames.

Cadman

[nix85]

No reason to sigh, you should've presented your idea from the first post instead of saying how no one but you got it right.

Anyway, it would be more helpful if you linked the video with a time reference.

Like so https://youtu.be/Lks8N-_dQLs?t=297

Looking at 0.25 speed i agree steel bar returns as the magnet comes nearest to it, contrary to what i said, i'll give you that.

But your theory that flux is redirected instead of neutralized does not make much sense. Redirected where? Whichever part is used to redirect the flux becomes your new sticky point.

What does make far more sense is that steel bar is not really a steel bar but a magnet repelling the rotor magnet, so it's out of it's way until it comes closest at which point it is introduced and strong repulsion (unlike what Luling himself says) takes place.

Quoting Luling as translated by Stephan

"this is a rotor which is attracted by a system
and the rotor runs until the  sticky point
at this shortly before the sticky points a
neutralization of the magnet takes place
so the rotor can turn on so that's their"

Or maybe upper part of the steel bar really is just steel so rotor is attracted to it but bottom part is repelling magnet, so at key moment attraction turns to repulsion.

[Cadman]

Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I have repeatedly referred to Semi's work as the source of my information.
Go here https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/
Scroll down to Video Data then under section Content – Size click the link FRAMES JPG approx. 12 GB
At that site download the one ending with FRAMES_09_TYPE_4x4_MOTOR_NO.3
Those are 1.94 GB. Once you have them you should have individual frames from 1584 through 2003.
Ignore what anyone else has ever written or said, including me, and decide for yourself what makes the motor run.

[nix85]

Who is putting words in your mouth, i sure am not.

Those higher res frames tell us nothing about the key point, the magnetic properties of the steel bar.

"Ignore what anyone else has ever written or said, including me, and decide for yourself what makes the motor run."

Look at you telling people what to do, how "wise".

There is not enough information to decide here, all we can is hypothesize. I already given my opinion that idea of diverting flux does not hold water and that it is most likely he is combining ferromagnetic attraction and magnetic repulsion to bypass the sticky point.