Friedrich Luling Magnet Motor

[Semi]

Hi nix85,

It's ok, i seen that marked frame. But don't you see what you call first and third block are but parts of one plate with square hole in the center.

there is no U-Plate and no square hole in the center, period.
I know this was for a very long time, a widely accepted theory. Even myself seen this U-Plate shape swinging.
But after I've got the 4K footage, this changed totally.

But let's say 1st and 3rd block are magnets as you say. Ok, so rotor is attracted to these blocks.
Yea swinging ARC is resting on the "blocks", and how do you u imagine the neutralization here?

The rotor is attracted if one or both of the ARC plates are pulled back. If both are sitting on the blocks, the rotor can pass.
This can be seen in the last mentioned frame 1892, rotor is passing while top and bottom of the blocks are "covered" with the ARC plates.
It can also been seen, in frame 2537, the bottom side ARC plates, or rather the whole bar is not swinging, and the top side has this "empty"
ARC placed, while the rotor is always capable of passing.

For my test rig, I've figured that there must be more than one configuration possible. Which I couldn't figure out in theory, so tried it myself in
different combinations. I also took the "walls" left and right within my considerations. Here some possible configurations. (it is just a sketch)

Regardless of the polarization, there is a config, when the bottom and top plate is in place, the front plate (my rotor equivalent), dropped.
If one of both is not in place, it is attracted. Pretty simple actually. And yes, you need quite some force to pull it apart. Which I guess
was the reason of building such a massive rig with pull back springs and pneumatic or rather hydraulic.

My deepest apologies for this very late response of mine. But I still hope this answers your questions to your satisfaction?!

Cheers
Semi

[nix85]

Hi Semi. First of all, it would be nice for sake of everyone that you keep images under 800px width,
like this it's impossible to read the thread. If you want to attach extra sized pictures you can link to
some image hosting service like https://imgbb.com/

Hi nix85,there is no U-Plate and no square hole in the center, period.
I know this was for a very long time, a widely accepted theory. Even myself seen this U-Plate shape
swinging.
But after I've got the 4K footage, this changed totally.

I am looking at the still frame, both unmarked and marked and the HD video again

https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/Frames/1892.jpeg
https://s-em-i.github.io/s-em-i.github.io-SecretsOfLueling/Frames/1892_Marked.jpeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT_UIpbFKc0

it is quite obvious that what you call blocks 1, 2 and 3 are one piece with U cut out in the middle.
But if they are one piece or not does not really matter, function matters.

The rotor is attracted if one or both of the ARC plates are pulled back. If both are sitting on
the blocks, the rotor can pass.
This can be seen in the last mentioned frame 1892, rotor is passing while top and bottom of the
blocks are "covered" with the ARC plates.
It can also been seen, in frame 2537, the bottom side ARC plates, or rather the whole bar is not swinging, and the top side has this "empty"
ARC placed, while the rotor is always capable of passing.

For my test rig, I've figured that there must be more than one configuration possible. Which I
couldn't figure out in theory, so tried it myself in
different combinations. I also took the "walls" left and right within my considerations. Here some
possible configurations. (it is just a sketch)

Regardless of the polarization, there is a config, when the bottom and top plate is in place, the front
plate (my rotor equivalent), dropped.
If one of both is not in place, it is attracted. Pretty simple actually. And yes, you need quite some
force to pull it apart. Which I guess
was the reason of building such a massive rig with pull back springs and pneumatic or rather
hydraulic.

My deepest apologies for this very late response of mine. But I still hope this answers your questions
to your satisfaction?!

Cheers
Semi

Let's hear Luling again

"this is a rotor which is attracted by a system and the rotor runs until the  sticky point at this shortly
before the sticky points a neutralization of the magnet takes place so the rotor can turn on"

Just wanted to remind he does confirm it works by attraction which is neutralized at sticky point.

"The rotor is attracted if one or both of the ARC plates are pulled back. If both are sitting on the blocks, the rotor can pass."

That is basically what i have been saying, rotor is a magnet and it's attracted to the U shaped piece
of iron and what you call ARC plates is a counter magnet neutralizing the attraction at sticky point.
Suppose this is the case, pulling the ARC plates from the U shape requires work. You say it yourself

"And yes, you need quite some force to pull it apart."

So that is clearly no good, if that force is not eliminated motor will be underunity. I suspect he either
eliminated or almost eliminated the need for this work. This is the key point i have been talking about.

My idea how this might be done is by well known principle, that two repelling magnets can be made to
attract or neither attract nor repel with iron plate of proper thickness for particular distance
of the magnets, attraction and repulsion can be perfectly balanced so that they pass by without drag.

Screen made of a repelling magnet(s) covered with iron plate of proper thickness can screen the
passing magnet from whatever is behind the screen, a piece of iron or another attracting or repelling magnet.

Obviously, simplest and best case is if it screens from piece of iron since iron will not interact with
the screen, if behind the screen is another magnet, be it repelling or attracting, then screen must
be calibrated for that situation.

Similar to how repulsion is neutralized in this old principle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJhKyOjGClg

It is of no particular importance to know exactly how Luling did it as much as it is to understand fully
this principle, and more so, that screen made of repelling magnet covered with iron of proper
thickness can shield a magnet from both another magnet or another piece of iron with virtually no drag.

Such screen is the holy grail, where forces are perfectly balanced, it is possible to screen the
magnetic field with minimal energy input.

In case of Luling or any motor of this kind, as rotor magnet approaches the sticky point
neutralization screen would be inserted and rotor would pass on uninterrupted.

Cheers
Nix

[nix85]

I made a quick sketch how wankel type motor with neutralizer screen would work.

Magnet falls toward the sticky point doing useful work, at the sticky point neutralizer
is inserted by a plunger or similar mechanism and kept there just long enough until
magnet leaves the area and cylcle repeats, 3 steps.

Actual motor should use 2 big rotor magnets like Luling, so neutralizer would jump in and out
two times per revolution.

For optimal deisgn, rotor magnets should not be neodyimium but samarium cobalt, or some
medium strength permanent magnets like that, so relatively thin screen of neos can screen them.

Good screen should be made, optimized so that drag is practically zero, then energy to insert and
remove the screen will also be practically zero. And all that energy from magnet falling toward the
sticky point is free.

If you have any doubts that repulsion between magnets can be perfectly neturalized, in fact
so perfectly they can be kept at a small distance in perfect balance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGKGoXD8P5A

[TommeyReed]

Hi All,

This is my design using mechanics to avoid magnet flux.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26tjw75iXuo&t=54s


Tom

[nix85]

In actual motor there should be two slopes, two sticky points, two magnets and two neutralizers on opposite sides.