Odd and unusual Laws and troubling times for FE research

[ramset]

Mark E

This [below] is the point of These discussions, not shaking hands with ET and ending up in handcuffs ,please don't be distracted by that !!

Instead... gathering info on how the below stats are actually enforced ,and what the associated paper work looks like that people are forced to sign
under "or else"....conditions.

below cut and paste from Tinsels Link here  http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html

Invention Secrecy Activity
(as reported by the Patent & Trademark Office)


               FY10      FY11      FY12      FY13      FY14

Total Secrecy Orders in Effect      5135      5241      5327      5445      5520
(at end of period)

New Secrecy Orders Imposed      86      143      98      139      97

Secrecy Orders Rescinded      32      37      18      21      22

Sponsoring Agencies for
New Secrecy Orders
   Foreign Origin         18      33      14      12      5
   ARMY            12      19      33      2      13
   NAVY            35      41      29      68      43
   AF            13      10      13      11      6
   DOE            1      15      0      29      15
   NSA            6      25      9      11      6
   DTSA            1            0      1      6
   NASA, DARPA         0      0      0      5      3

New DoD Secrecy Order Types
   Type 1 (export control)      31      33      27      66      42
   Type 2 (classified)      19      41      18      21      9
   Type 2 (foreign PSA)      19      33      13      12      11
   Type 3            16      21      40      6      18
   
New Non-DoD Secrecy Orders      1      15      0      34      17

"John Doe" Secrecy Orders
(imposed on private inventors)      26      11      11      21      11

[MarkE]

I am such an example.
I have a device that seems to put out more power than is being consumed-classic free energy  device
laws suppressing such device can be hidden behind many forms.
National security-converts to the collapse of the petrochemical dollar. What would happen if all of a sudden no one needed to pay for fossil fuel's?.

That is not an example.  It is a hypothetical speculation.

Oh ,then there is this one as i found out.
A law against a non licensed electrician building and presenting/ promoting a high voltage inverter to the public<--Lol,aint that a hoot.

Yes it must be.  Why don't we wind back all the regulations that prohibit unqualified people from handling dangerous machinery and materials.  Why not ship out:  "My nitrogen tri-iodide playkit and neighborhood reconfigurator." to boys ages 6-80?

Now-do you think that any government would have a law(viewable by the public) stating that you cannot research or develop overunity/free energy machines? No,and there are two reasons for this.

Well then you have just contradicted Ramset's assertion that there are "these" such laws.

1-People would then know that the powers that be really do not have the publics best interest at heart.
2-They dont need such law's,as there are already laws that can be used to prevent this from happening-->that being the release of a free energy device.

Really, would you care to identify any of those alleged laws?

Here is a fact.
The powers that be(weather that is a government body,or the powerful oil boys club)do not want you to become undependable on fossil fuels-that is a fact,and they will do/try anything to make this happen.

The Koch brothers spend lots and lots of money on lobbying and PR to protect and extend their profits.  So what?

In our country,we went big on solar,and it became a runaway situation. Then these clowns in power decided(after much persuasion from the electric companies)to try and charge those will solar panels on there roof a sun tax-LMAO-a sun tax. The public soon put a stop to this bullsh-t. Who know's where it would have led if they were aloud to get away with such crap. We'd soon be paying 50 cents an hour to get a suntan. Then they would hit us all with a carbon tax just for breathing.
So anyway,after they lost that battle,guess what they did-->one guess

Please come back to the subject of alleged laws against producing free energy devices.

The asswipes went and put a stop to solar grid tie systems in areas where solar installations were the highest. So now in those areas,you can put solar panels on your roof,but you cant do a darn thing with them.

Sure you can.  You can produce your own power.

Make no mistake-our loving governments have nothing but there own interest at heart,and there are indeed laws that prevent free energy devices/overunity devices ever making it to market. You just need to know the laws that can be used that are here today.

So do tell.

High voltage inverter my ass.

It might as well be, because you have not established a connection to alleged laws against free energy.

[MarkE]

You will be surprised at what we are doing that we shouldnt be doing Jim.We are suppose to have a licence if we go above 50 VAC,or 120 VDC-regardless of current. As silly as it sounds,a lot of the higher voltage JT's would exceed 50VAC-and tesla coils-forget it-your done.
So like i said,when the time come's,there are laws they can sting you with.

This is from the WA.gov.au website.
Quote: Electrical work is defined in the Electricity (Licensing) Regulations 1991 and means work on electrical machines or instruments, on an electrical installation or on electrical appliances or equipment to which electricity is supplied or intended to be supplied, at a nominal pressure exceeding 50 volts alternating current or 120 volts direct current, whether or not the thing on which the work is being performed is part of, or is connected to or to be connected to, any distribution works or private generating plant and, where work is performed on any appliance, whether or not electricity is supplied or may be supplied thereto through an electric plug socket or socket outlet.

Section 3.3 of the WAES
Where sources of electricity generation are installed in a consumer's premises, the generator
electrical installation shall comply with relevant technical standards including:
• AS/NZS: 3010:2005 Electrical installations – generating sets;
• AS 4509.1:2009 Stand-alone power systems – safety and installation;
• AS 4777:2005 Grid connection of energy systems via inverters;
• AS/NZS 5033:2005 Installation of photo-voltaic (PV) arrays; and
• the Wiring Rules.
Further requirements of network operators may be found in their connection requirements.
In particular, where an installation has multiple alternative sources of supply (incorporating either
automatic and or manual switching), all associated circuits and equipment including isolating
switches shall have signage and labelling as required by the relevant standards. Further detailed
labelling requirements are provided in section 3.5 (below).
Installation or modification of on-site power generation is 'notifiable work' as defined in the Electricity
Licensing Regulations 1991 and, in particular, notices of work shall be submitted to the network
operator as required by Regulations 51 and 52.

http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/energysafety/licensing-electrical-workers-and-electrical-contractors

http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/atoms/files/waer_2014_0.pdf

Would you prefer that people get killed due to stupidity?

[MarkE]

To be honest the e t thing was just an excuse to have this discussion about suppression (a lead in)
A kindergartner could solve the tax issue in Australia , just keep the tax ,based on prior history in the home or mileage on
the car etc etc etc,.,......
Obviously there are other ancillary issues with a country and its economy.
Mark E
you are a very big proponent of big government , surely you will figure out how to make your model work in an FE
environment
Too
?
After all when magnets and wire have to get outlawed ..
These greedy singleminded powers that be will have a very big problem indeed
And their problem will become our problem by default...

How about some productive solutions to this issue?

You have not actually established that there is any issue.

Better late than never, we are after all there ATM

Www.fas.org/SGP/othergov/inventions/stats.HTML.
  (cut and paste this link if its not working ,I'm typing on a midget
Pojunk and don't, know how to post a link yet)
Thx to tinsel for the link

[MarkE]

Mark E

This [below] is the point of These discussions, not shaking hands with ET and ending up in handcuffs ,please don't be distracted by that !!

You failed to establish that there was any "that" in the first place.  So, far you have come up zero with any regulations that bar OU research.  For what you have provided so far you might as well rail against poodle style hair cuts on invisible unicorns.

Instead... gathering info on how the below stats are actually enforced ,and what the associated paper work looks like that people are forced to sign
under "or else"....conditions.

below cut and paste from Tinsels Link here  http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html

Invention Secrecy Activity
(as reported by the Patent & Trademark Office)


               FY10      FY11      FY12      FY13      FY14

Total Secrecy Orders in Effect      5135      5241      5327      5445      5520
(at end of period)

New Secrecy Orders Imposed      86      143      98      139      97

Secrecy Orders Rescinded      32      37      18      21      22

Sponsoring Agencies for
New Secrecy Orders
   Foreign Origin         18      33      14      12      5
   ARMY            12      19      33      2      13
   NAVY            35      41      29      68      43
   AF            13      10      13      11      6
   DOE            1      15      0      29      15
   NSA            6      25      9      11      6
   DTSA            1            0      1      6
   NASA, DARPA         0      0      0      5      3

New DoD Secrecy Order Types
   Type 1 (export control)      31      33      27      66      42
   Type 2 (classified)      19      41      18      21      9
   Type 2 (foreign PSA)      19      33      13      12      11
   Type 3            16      21      40      6      18
   
New Non-DoD Secrecy Orders      1      15      0      34      17

"John Doe" Secrecy Orders
(imposed on private inventors)      26      11      11      21      11

A country that spends the better part of a trillion dollars each year on its military might be expected to develop a lot of new inventions each year that have strategic military value.  Wehre do any of those statistics identify anything free energy related?