A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]

[kiwi3]

I have been following the free energy/overunity threads for a few years and am amazed at how the naysayers outnumber the cando's manyfold.
Why is this ?
Mad mack says a magnet motor is possible.
TK says it is not.
So why should we believe TK and not Mad Mack ?

[Pirate88179]

Now I'm really ROFLing!  The great Mack builder BroMikey has just posted two links to two copies of the same video of a "working magnet motor"  that someone else just posted to YouTube.

There is just one problem.... the video is one of MYLOW's videos, originally posted six years ago.

That's right friends. The MYLOW story is still happening.

Damn!  We are still haunted by the Mylow affair.  I thought that was put to bed years ago...but, I suppose, some other folks watch the videos and "rediscover' the genius of his scam with the electric motor and fishing line. ("You can turn it off now Tony...turn it off.")

I still think the bird was in on it in some way.

@Kiwi3;

We should believe TK because he knows what he is talking about and has made and published, hundreds of videos of demonstrations.  He has also been the lead investigator in busting many, many scammers (Including Mylow) and, he has also freely shared his knowledge with the rest of us and has helped folks understand electronics and proper measuring methods.

Check out his Youtube channel and then get back to us.

I believe you will have answered your own question by then.

Bill

[TinselKoala]

I have been following the free energy/overunity threads for a few years and am amazed at how the naysayers outnumber the cando's manyfold.
Why is this ?
Mad mack says a magnet motor is possible.
TK says it is not.
So why should we believe TK and not Mad Mack ?

Believe whomever you like.

But consider this: There is no evidence whatsoever that the things Mack has said, about having built a self running magnet motor, the NDA story, the disappearance due to medical issues.... no evidence at all that any of that story is true. You have only Mack's self-reports to go by, and he hasn't even bothered to show you a YT video or even a still photo or a blueprint! I'm amazed that anyone believed him at all, really, since he provided absolutely no evidence at all for any of it.

On the other hand you have a lot of evidence, and hundreds of years of scientific experimentation, plus lots of consistent, never-proven-wrong theoretical analyses, that all say that a self running magnet motor is impossible. And you have lots and lots of hoaxers, like Mylow, Mike Brady, and others who have made false claims of building these things, some of whom have been caught out -- Brady even went to jail -- and others who have simply faded away (like Mack), but nobody has ever had a self running magnet motor verified by credible independent testers. Nobody, ever. Let that sink in for a while.

So if you want to believe Mack, you will be wasting your time, money, and creative efforts on something that is doomed to fail and has no credibility and no solid theoretical backing at all. If you believe me, then you can spend that time, money and creative juice doing something else, that maybe has a chance of being productive, educational or even "cool". It's 100 percent your choice. Just remember YOLO.

Meanwhile, in another week, month, year... there will _still_ be no self-running magnet motor from the absent guru Mack -- a "sincere gentleman" -- or any of his disciples.

I have nothing against people doing research and trying new ideas. But I have not seen a "new idea" in the permanent magnet motor world in ages. The closest thing to a new idea was Steorn's core-effect motors, and of course they are externally electrically powered.  All these ramps, shields, angled magnets, inside-out things, rotating stators, etc. are all old ideas, some of them actually _hundreds of years_ old.  What I am against is people who lie about what they have done, and who try to fool others into wasting their time "replicating" something that doesn't exist in the first place, never did, and is impossible anyhow.  Mylow finally admitted his hoaxing, after his videos were analyzed and his methods exposed and even replicated. Mack is smarter -- he didn't provide anything like a video that could be analyzed! Or any other evidence, either.

So believe whomever you like. If you believe Mack, though, your faith is religious, not scientific, because it depends on claims of impossible things, miracles really, made without any evidence at all to back them up.

[Dbowling]

I have to agree with SEVERAL things TK said. When Mack first posted and I took a look at what he was having people build, one of my FIRST comments on the thread was that it would be hard to do without some serious machine tools. His reply was that he did it all with hand tools. I found that a little hard to swallow. I also have a hard time believing the story about the NDA with all the things he has shared. I have a VERY hard time believing that someone who built a WORKING device has not a single photo or video of it to show, and no longer has the device itself.


So in my mind I HAVE to discount Mack as a credible witness completely. Maybe he is for real, or maybe he is a total fraud. Or maybe he is a guy who wants others to do the work because he is too broke or lazy to do it himself.


What I am left with are the details of the build itself. There are some things about this build that intrigue me. The idea of balanced rotor stator/magnets so that there is no attraction or repulsion, was VERY interesting, and I was able to get that to happen. I had NOT seen this before and if it has come up in the PAST, I would love for someone to point out to me WHERE. I was also able to see that by using the ramp as a shield, you could actually get the repulsion of the rotor magnet at the appropriate time. LOTS of folks have worked with this concept, so nothing new here. I could also see how you could use the ramp to attract the incoming rotor magnet. Some folks have worked with this concept, but Mack seems to have taken it a couple steps beyond anything that I have seen before. And then there is THIS video...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTcw6NPn9BQ


As far as ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION DETAILS, everything has worked EXACTLY as Mack said it would. I have always been, and always will be a skeptic. Until I see it working on MY bench, I have my reservations. But when everything works EXACTLY as the guy said it would, you have to wonder if there might not be something to this.


Whether he ever comes back to share more or disappears into the woodwork remains to be seen. I will continue to work on this project not because I have any faith in Mack, but because of what I have seen on my bench. Besides, ALL hobbies are a waste of time and money, aren't they???

Oh, and even if it works, will it have enough power to actually DO any work? There are other things that show far more promise of meeting THAT goal than THIS, but I still can't abandon it.
Dave

[TinselKoala]

The most recent post from MadMack that I can find was made on the 26th of October, post #632 in the thread on EF. And today is the 20th of December.

55 days have passed since Mack posted "Unfortunately I have little time. There is a surgery for me in a couple of days and I will be out of touch afterwards, hopefully only for a week or two."

55 days is almost 8 weeks.

I am afraid that Elvis has left the building.

And then there is THIS video...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTcw6NPn9BQ

Seriously? You think a video that shows that a magnet is attracted to some metal, and is more attracted to more metal, is somehow important to your efforts?