A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]

[TinselKoala]

I see a definate direction and no contradictions from Macks original postings on this,
Continuity all the way thru.....

UFO has built a nice tunable rig of exceptional quality !

he has A nice kick coming out of the gate and Mack has Been quite specific in the need for  multiple gates/ramps
To manifest a self run.


I declare a cheeseburger challenge on this one ...plus a magnum chaser for dessert (the Carmel peanut butter one)

I like my cheesburger medium rare with extra cheese......the magnum will be  fine right out of the box

Why do you never see people testing in the way that I have described and even illustrated, long ago? I know why and so do you. A comparison test with just the rotor and its magnets, with the external ramps removed, will turn _longer_ when started with the same starting impulse, than it will with the external ramp contraptions installed. 

Come on UFO, you have the ability and the nice build to test PROPERLY. Why don't you do it?

I know why, and so do you.

Here's the TKChallenge to all you magnet motor builders.

1. Find a way to start your device with the _same starting energy_ each time, as I have illustrated in my Mondrasek videos, for example using a known weight dropped through a known distance ( E= mgh ) or an accurate tachometer so you can start timing from an exactly known rotor RPM.
2. Establish a "baseline" rundown time, taking the average of several rundowns of an INERT system, that is one with no stator ramps and the rotor magnets replaced with inert bits of metal or clay of the same weight and position.
3. Compare the time it takes for the rotor to run down to a stop in each case:
3a. the "baseline run" with all rotor magnets replaced with inert weights of the same weight and no external ramps;
3b. the rotor with its magnets installed but no external ramps;
3c. and the full setup with magnets and ramps and anything else you want to add.

For proper data, each condition should be run several times, like 10 or 20 times, and the average of the times taken as the rundown time for that condition. This should take care of random glitches and timing errors and allow one to do actual simple statistical analyses.

I'll bet a cheezburger that the baseline condition will produce the longest rundown times, showing that magnets and external gadgets only take away, not add, any energy to the system.

It would probably take UFOPolitics all of an afternoon to set up and perform these PROPER CONTROL EXPERIMENTS and obtain some real useful data. Will he or anyone else do it? Let's wait and see, shall we?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMIsABzDkw0

Come on people, if you want to TEST something, do it properly, by taking real data, comparing the effects of a controlled energy input on various configurations of your devices. Get "mister hand" out of the picture and get some actual NUMBERS, and some actual COMPARISONS going on.  Or are you just afraid of what you might find out by proceeding scientifically ?


(And as far as contradictions in Mack's statements.... what about the NDA, what about the "cease and desist order" ? Those are really inconsistent with what he's been posting, aren't they?)

[TinselKoala]

Eventually they'll get to some configuration that has all forces balanced out, and they'll give it a spin by hand and it will spin for a while and come to a stop... and they'll claim "IT'S WORKING but still stops for some reason!!" But they'll never compare to a "null" version with the same rotational inertia but no magnets... which would of course spin for the same, or even greater, length of time given the same starting impulse.

Tinsel
Geeze I hate when this happens...[quite embarrassing actually]....My crystal Ball is in the shop for calibration again so Obviously I am unable to double check your prophesies and visions....

(snip)
respectfully

Chet

Well, it has been seven days since we posted that, and nobody has yet done the simple null rundown testing that I suggested.... just as I predicted.

They will avoid doing any testing that has the potential to reveal that their work is in vain. 

How long do you think it would have taken UFOPolitics to make a groove in the outer edge of his rotor and use a dropped weight-on-a-string, instead of Mister Hand, to start his rotor with a known and repeatable starting impulse? How long to take baseline rundown data on a null (no magnets) rotor?

These are very simple tests I'm suggesting and they definitely DO have the potential to show whether or not any changes are adding or subtracting from the running of the device. 

So why isn't UFOPolitics doing them? How is it possible to know if any changes are working, if you don't have a valid baseline for comparison, and you are using Mister Hand to spin your rotor? Why isn't anyone actually _answering my questions?_ 

I know why and so do you.

Why, it even almost seems that nobody really wants to _prove me wrong_ with solid data, repeatable tests and simple statistics (taking averages and standard deviations of a set of repeated trials.) I guess it's just too much trouble....

[minnie]

      UFO. and the Prony Brake.
      Damn good username though!
     

[shylo]

Tk , Whats the point in doing all those testes?
UFO's video show how after the initial spin it begins to slow and is about to come to rest, before he grabs it and stops it.
I've built hundreds of designs , they have always found a point of balance or they lock up.
Even if it will continue to rotate as soon as you put a load on it , it will change the whole arrangement of the balancing act.
I hope they prove me wrong, I just can't see it.
When is gravity stronger than magnetism , when is magnetism stronger than gravity?
artv

[minnie]

Best to keep UFO's testes out of it!