A sincere gentleman sharing a magnet motor build .[NDA issues??]

[SeaMonkey]

Experimenters take an idea and run with it.  They'll
cogitate, ponder, try, inprovise, fail, improvise and
keep trying as they acquire comprehension of the
sought after process.

Then there are Builders who demand spoon feeding of
each minute detail of the "device" in question.  Seemingly
unable to think for themselves or to improvise they
remain stuck in the muck and make no progress.

With effort, fortitude and patience even a Builder can
become an  Experimenter.

Then there are the Emotional Cripples who choose to
engage in inflammatory conversation.  Very unfortunately,
this affliction has affected both Experimenters and Builders.

But there is yet hope!  TK may ultimately save the day!

[sm0ky2]

Do you also want me to cite references for my assertion that you cannot strip naked, jump off a ten story building, quack like a duck and flap your arms and fly away faster than a 777? Do you think that somehow, someday, some wild experimenter will disprove my assertion that this is a physical impossibility?
OK, I think you will probably agree with me that this is a physical impossibility, because you have lots of experience with gravity and how heavy things behave under its influence, and you know you don't have the power-to-weight ratio or the wing loading of a bird, much less a jetpowered one. So now, as the old joke goes, it's just a matter of negotiation. Where do you draw the line between "physically impossible" and "maybe possible"?

Look them up yourself. Here are some topic headings to get you started:

Laws of Thermodynamics
Conservation of Energy
Conservation of Momentum
Conservative fields of force

A self-running permanent magnet motor would violate many solidly-proven principles (call them Laws if you like) of physics. Hundreds of years of experimentation and many many thousands of research findings support these principles.

ETA: But after all, you have it backwards. It only takes one credible demonstration to prove me (and all those conservation laws) wrong. If someone can fly off the building, naked and flapping his arms, fine, let's see it happen. If someone claims to have built a permanent magnet motor that runs itself (with no machine tooling, in several variations, and simply enough to be described in words over the internet in spite of a signed NDA, yet) fine. Let him PROVE IT. Or confess that he cannot.

TK,...

If I had to rank the top 5 most intelligent, most educated individuals on this forum, you would be on the list...
and while I applaud your loyalty to Thermodynamic Theory (i'll leave the other 3 alone for now, because I don't specifically disagree with them)
I can't  wrap my head around your belligerently accepting that there is no magnetic anomalies we cannot fully explain.
we know there is a difference in the magnetic force vs a gravitational (or other time-variant field).
and anywhere else we find a difference in force (fluid pressure, rivers, wind, exploding gas) we find a way to utilize it to our advantage.

I mean sure, we can calculate the barometric pressure gradient over this part of the earth, and determine an average energy value of the wind over time,
to turn a generator, with x% losses and make electricity. We assume we know exactly where this energy is coming from....
heat from the sun and the earth's core, electrical activity between the ground and the ionosphere, etc...
but how much energy goes into the wind we harvest and where does it come from??
You accept this technology with no consideration of the thermodynamics involved?

Interacting magnets in the presence of a gravitational field can present itself in strange ways, mathematically and in physical experiment.
Eric Laithwaite made a long series of videos back some 40 years ago,  that could turn a 3yr old into an advanced magnetician.
But there were things, even HE did not understand.
I am no Eric Laithwaite.... And I'm sure there are many others that could teach me a few things about magnetism....
But I have seen at least one magnetic situation that has no valid answer under any thermodynamic resolution.

There is a second case, of which I am not yet entirely convinced, but has some anomalous properties I have not yet been able to explain.
And for some reason every year around June 20th, I find myself playing with it........ But that's neither here nor there....

Thermodynamics was designed by the scientific community to maintain stability on an economic standard of energy costs.
This may sound like some UFO conspiracy theory, and you probably won't believe me or think I am crazy or whatever..
but that's ok..  Thermodynamics does not control physics, it controls the way we use physics in our technologies.

It is resolved from 90some% of the equations that govern physics and mechanics when observed from a particular perspective.
It holds true in every case in which it is used, if you analyze the system by the boundaries set forth by the theorem.
There are systems to which these theories do not apply, or cannot be applied. Consider these to be "open systems".
Schools will not teach you this (with the exception of nuclear physics under certain curriculum programs).
It is forbidden by the National Accreditation System, the school will lose their accreditation.

I have seen enough in my lifetime to know that what they teach us is not correct, or not fully disclosed.
in college myself and/or other students in the class made such defiant devices as:
a drain plug with a hose and a jet nozzle that filled its own reservoir. (circa 1980's Coleman Cooler)
a Wick-Wheel, (made of paper) that used the capillary effect to turn a water wheel
a laser-phasing technique that exponentially increased the energy value of a combined beam.
a self-increasing dynamic thermal radiant event
as well as many mathematical anomalies that modern physics still has yet to resolve.

The field of magnetism, is the least understood of all physics, and while we have many equations and applications to describe the behavior
of a variety of magnetic arrangements
we cannot claim to be even close to knowing everything there is about magnetism.
the work of howard Johnson alone should raise your eyebrows about magnetic motors.
the history of H.J. actually happened. I grew up in Atlanta with parents in the AF, and family at Lockheed martin.
they flew electric jets built on his technology. silent, fast.
what happened to it after that no one knows, but he was under contract and working with their engineers

my personal experience with the issue, was an accident, resultant from a magnetic gearing design, but was not only self-sustaining, but self accelerating beyond any hope of control.

There are others who can clearly demonstrate magnetic anomalies, such as David Hamel.
our old friend Clanzer created a wonderful demonstration in a glass bowl with the activating magnet stationary above.
for all intensive purposes, it was a perpetual motion system, based on magnetic interaction (and gravity?).

I understand your education has set in stone certain fundamental principals that have held true throughout your realm of experiences.
But to claim that something is "impossible".... 
When ever has science been right about impossibilities?

heavier than air flight was impossible, reaching the bottom of the ocean was impossible, travel to space was impossible.
speed of sound, speed of light, I could go on....

There is more to this situation than most college professors will teach you. Some of them are oblivious, indoctrinated from childhood, and go on teaching without a clue.
While others know clear and well whats going on, and will tell you, but will not risk their jobs openly violating accreditation guidelines.

There are equations that govern technologies prohibited by modern physics. Most of these are held secret, not taught fully in schools.
some are taught, but only part of the situation is discussed.
Maxwell is one of the major exceptions to this. Some of his equations have escaped discretionary disclosure.,
and in them you can clearly see anomalous energy values occurring within discrete conditions.

The math that bridges the gap between thermodynamic law and pure einsteinian energy flow, is so simply elegant that one would spend a lifetime performing
the equations for no other purpose that the joy of doing so. (or to build a bomb under military contract....)

There are equations that are kept from us, Tesla, Euler, Maxwell, That explain situations not covered by the normal use of their equations.
These unlock technological potentials that could be devastating to the social structure of mankind (or so they say...)
Whatever reason they have for keeping this information from us is irrelevant, for most of the information is already available to us, and much of the unknown can be derived from the well used equations, and variations thereof.
The problem for most is comprehension, or more importantly, the broad scope of knowledge that has been meticulously segregated by degree-specific training,
necessary to build the entire puzzle.

The problem we face Mr Tinsel Kuala
is not that energy is not free..
but rather they do not WANT it to be.....


P.S.: ive watched a man in a squirrel suit (not naked) break the sound barrier off a cliff.
and create a shockwave@!

[TinselKoala]

It really depends on what you mean by a magnetic motor, will a spinning magnet or two do ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGPnxLSgnUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp9cFrZWneI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycs9zDZbdVo

Did you actually watch those videos? Do you understand Veproject's demonstrations?

The first video has nothing to do with magnets and is a hoax. Not only that, it is plagiarized by the "Nikola Tesla" poster who ripped it off without credit from the original poster. You will note that the video was posted in July of 2015.... but my photo of my replication of the original, attached below, was taken in May of 2015.

The second video is Lidmotor's illustration of _one way_ that the first video can be faked, out of many possibilities.

The third video is a compilation of some of Veproject's demonstrations.

There is no "self running" magnet motor shown in any of these videos.

[TinselKoala]

TK,...

If I had to rank the top 5 most intelligent, most educated individuals on this forum, you would be on the list...
and while I applaud your loyalty to Thermodynamic Theory (i'll leave the other 3 alone for now, because I don't specifically disagree with them)
I can't  wrap my head around your belligerently accepting that there is no magnetic anomalies we cannot fully explain.
we know there is a difference in the magnetic force vs a gravitational (or other time-variant field).
and anywhere else we find a difference in force (fluid pressure, rivers, wind, exploding gas) we find a way to utilize it to our advantage.

I mean sure, we can calculate the barometric pressure gradient over this part of the earth, and determine an average energy value of the wind over time,
to turn a generator, with x% losses and make electricity. We assume we know exactly where this energy is coming from....
heat from the sun and the earth's core, electrical activity between the ground and the ionosphere, etc...
but how much energy goes into the wind we harvest and where does it come from??
You accept this technology with no consideration of the thermodynamics involved?

Interacting magnets in the presence of a gravitational field can present itself in strange ways, mathematically and in physical experiment.
Eric Laithwaite made a long series of videos back some 40 years ago,  that could turn a 3yr old into an advanced magnetician.
But there were things, even HE did not understand.
I am no Eric Laithwaite.... And I'm sure there are many others that could teach me a few things about magnetism....
But I have seen at least one magnetic situation that has no valid answer under any thermodynamic resolution.

There is a second case, of which I am not yet entirely convinced, but has some anomalous properties I have not yet been able to explain.
And for some reason every year around June 20th, I find myself playing with it........ But that's neither here nor there....

Thermodynamics was designed by the scientific community to maintain stability on an economic standard of energy costs.
This may sound like some UFO conspiracy theory, and you probably won't believe me or think I am crazy or whatever..
but that's ok..  Thermodynamics does not control physics, it controls the way we use physics in our technologies.

It is resolved from 90some% of the equations that govern physics and mechanics when observed from a particular perspective.
It holds true in every case in which it is used, if you analyze the system by the boundaries set forth by the theorem.
There are systems to which these theories do not apply, or cannot be applied. Consider these to be "open systems".
Schools will not teach you this (with the exception of nuclear physics under certain curriculum programs).
It is forbidden by the National Accreditation System, the school will lose their accreditation.

I have seen enough in my lifetime to know that what they teach us is not correct, or not fully disclosed.
in college myself and/or other students in the class made such defiant devices as:
a drain plug with a hose and a jet nozzle that filled its own reservoir. (circa 1980's Coleman Cooler)
a Wick-Wheel, (made of paper) that used the capillary effect to turn a water wheel
a laser-phasing technique that exponentially increased the energy value of a combined beam.
a self-increasing dynamic thermal radiant event
as well as many mathematical anomalies that modern physics still has yet to resolve.

The field of magnetism, is the least understood of all physics, and while we have many equations and applications to describe the behavior
of a variety of magnetic arrangements
we cannot claim to be even close to knowing everything there is about magnetism.
the work of howard Johnson alone should raise your eyebrows about magnetic motors.
the history of H.J. actually happened. I grew up in Atlanta with parents in the AF, and family at Lockheed martin.
they flew electric jets built on his technology. silent, fast.
what happened to it after that no one knows, but he was under contract and working with their engineers

my personal experience with the issue, was an accident, resultant from a magnetic gearing design, but was not only self-sustaining, but self accelerating beyond any hope of control.

There are others who can clearly demonstrate magnetic anomalies, such as David Hamel.
our old friend Clanzer created a wonderful demonstration in a glass bowl with the activating magnet stationary above.
for all intensive purposes, it was a perpetual motion system, based on magnetic interaction (and gravity?).

I understand your education has set in stone certain fundamental principals that have held true throughout your realm of experiences.
But to claim that something is "impossible".... 
When ever has science been right about impossibilities?

heavier than air flight was impossible, reaching the bottom of the ocean was impossible, travel to space was impossible.
speed of sound, speed of light, I could go on....

There is more to this situation than most college professors will teach you. Some of them are oblivious, indoctrinated from childhood, and go on teaching without a clue.
While others know clear and well whats going on, and will tell you, but will not risk their jobs openly violating accreditation guidelines.

There are equations that govern technologies prohibited by modern physics. Most of these are held secret, not taught fully in schools.
some are taught, but only part of the situation is discussed.
Maxwell is one of the major exceptions to this. Some of his equations have escaped discretionary disclosure.,
and in them you can clearly see anomalous energy values occurring within discrete conditions.

The math that bridges the gap between thermodynamic law and pure einsteinian energy flow, is so simply elegant that one would spend a lifetime performing
the equations for no other purpose that the joy of doing so. (or to build a bomb under military contract....)

There are equations that are kept from us, Tesla, Euler, Maxwell, That explain situations not covered by the normal use of their equations.
These unlock technological potentials that could be devastating to the social structure of mankind (or so they say...)
Whatever reason they have for keeping this information from us is irrelevant, for most of the information is already available to us, and much of the unknown can be derived from the well used equations, and variations thereof.
The problem for most is comprehension, or more importantly, the broad scope of knowledge that has been meticulously segregated by degree-specific training,
necessary to build the entire puzzle.

The problem we face Mr Tinsel Kuala
is not that energy is not free..
but rather they do not WANT it to be.....


P.S.: ive watched a man in a squirrel suit (not naked) break the sound barrier off a cliff.
and create a shockwave@!

I doubt it, unless the "squirrel suit" had a jetpack attached, or the "cliff" was over 80,000 feet tall.

Well, you cover a lot of ground in that post. However.... you should know that Eric Laithwait's demonstrations were severely flawed, and that admitted he was wrong, that David Hamel did not do what he claimed to do, that CLaNZeR's demonstration did not produce a "self running magnet motor", that Howard Johnson also never made a self-running magnet motor, and etc etc. A lot of what you say is simply wrong.

Now, you've made some pretty outrageous claims in your post yourself, without providing any proof. And you've resorted to many of the usual strawman arguments.
"Heavier than air flight was impossible"... but you seem to forget that when some silly journalists said that, BIRDS and flying insects already proved the statement wrong. And so on.

Let's see some credible evidence for these claims:

my personal experience with the issue, was an accident, resultant from a magnetic gearing design, but was not only self-sustaining, but self accelerating beyond any hope of control.

a drain plug with a hose and a jet nozzle that filled its own reservoir. (circa 1980's Coleman Cooler)

I'll bet a cheezburger you won't be providing any.

And nothing in your post refutes my contention that the "sincere gentleman" did not have what he claimed to have (therefore his statements were false), or that there will be no self-running magnet motor coming from him or any of his erstwhile disciples (who mostly have already given up.)

[massive]

P.S.: ive watched a man in a squirrel suit (not naked) break the sound barrier off a cliff.
and create a shockwave@!


....actually millions of people have seen this .      an impossible feat yet an individual went ahead and did it and as of now it is in the past as an acheivement , for that individual it is normal.

103 years ago the best engineers proved flight was not possible , yet the Wright brothers and Richard Pearce flew 2 planes opposite sides of the planet .
...............today theres a plane every minute!!

Howard Johnson is a unique person  .  The video evidence of his rail car and motors is pretty rock solid .
not many people would dedicate a life time focussed on magnets , not many of us are going to

it can only be an individual to break new ground , even though there are "Laws" they are not going to stop
an individual

For sure there are definitely hoaxs , time wasters , unfortunately wasters of other peoples time , and there needs to be a sharp eye on them    (not my job  no thanks )