Sharing ideas on how to make a more efficent motor using Flyback (MODERATED)

[gotoluc]

Luc
Mags system is much the same-just a little more advanced. He collects the backEMF,and drives a second coil with it-this is what Woopy is doing. The difference is that Mags can trigger the second coil with that captured energy with the second reed switch. He then also captures the backEMF from the second coil,and uses that to charge a battery,where as Woopy looses that within the cap/inductor set up on the second coil.

Mag's is well within the thread title-more so than others ATM as far as i can see
Quote title: Sharing ideas on how to make a more efficent motor using Flyback

Brad

Thanks for your input Brad.
I understand quite well what Mags has done and I have made similar tests and circuits many years back but have not shared it as the Low impedance to Low impedance to once again Low impedance process did not produce favorable results. Much is lost in the conversions.

The idea I'm sharing is simple, it's a Low impedance to High impedance motor assistance. It does not involve any circuitry, just 2 passive components.

You're suggesting that both can do the same, so I challenge TinMan Power to build both and report which one you find to best assist a motor.
Think of it as a PMBO challenge

Thanks for your input

Luc

[tinman]

I looked at Luc's first clip:  Sharing ideas, how to build a more efficient motor (p.1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfLcBD3Fy7M

When he has the high-voltage coil in the MOT core and no capacitor there is no perceptible attraction with the transformer core top plate.   Then when he ads the 11 uF capacitor to the circuit then there is fairly strong attraction with the transformer core top plate.

It begs the question, why is there no perceptible attraction when there is no capacitor?  Note that in both cases the same BEMF pulse energy is coming from the motor drive coil.   I just find it somewhat unusual that there is no perceptible attraction with no capacitor in the circuit.  Also, what happens to the attractive force as the capacitor gets larger and larger?

This is for Luc and all others interested in this subject to ponder and try to explain.  You are trying to use a second coil to do work on the rotor to make it spin faster so it behooves you to want to understand the why and how behind these issues.

One more time, this is about the difference between just observing the effects and taking note of them  (a "demonstration"), and observing the effects and then understanding the how and why that explain the observed effects (an "experiment.")

With and without the capacitor. It's much the same as to why a vehicle going a set speed can be stopped quicker if you dont lock up the brakes and skid the wheels. Voltage leads current in an inductor,and if the applied voltage pulse is to quick and short,then there will be very little current that follows. However,if that spike is sent to a capacitor where the current leads the voltage,then you can be assured that the inductor will receive all of the !now stored! energy from that inductive kickback that was stored within the cap.

[tinman]

Thanks for your input Brad.
I understand quite well what Mags has done and I have made similar tests and circuits many years back but have not shared it as the Low impedance to Low impedance to once again Low impedance process did not produce favorable results. Much is lost in the conversions.

The idea I'm sharing is simple, it's a Low impedance to High impedance motor assistance. It does not involve any circuitry, just 2 passive components.

You're suggesting that both can do the same, so I challenge TinMan Power to build both and report which one you find to best assist a motor.
Think of it as a PMBO challenge

Thanks for your input

Luc

I accept that challenge.
But i can tell you now with some certainty that a low impedance secondary coil will perform better due to lower resistive losses

[woopy]

Hi all
Thank's for info and proposals.
This setup in my videos is made to test Gotoluc's proposition concerning the flybackspike recovery.
Sofar i can confirm that the rotor spins easily and steadily when motorised by the "assistant" coil only.
Now for sure, those first and crude results are  encouraging and  motivating to go to a much better documented experiment.
Perhaps there will be people there to go in this direction.

Now one thing continues to puzzle me.

My beginner's knowledge indicates that, during the pulse, the main (low voltage ) motor coil, get a certain amount of electric energy (voltage and current) from the power station. This energy is dissipated for a small part in  heat due to the impedance of the coil and for the main part in building a magnetic field . During the building of the magnetic field its magnetic strength increases with the increasing current in the inductor and propels the rotor magnet which get kinetic energy.
So it seems to me, that at the end of the pulse, all the electrical input energy should have been transformed in some heat and the kinetic energy of the rotor, yes or not? And  the magnetic field seems to stay there at its max strength until the end of the pulse. yes or not?
Than it seems commonly admitted that at the end of the pulse, the magnetic field brutally collapses and creates the flybackspike.
But if the input energy is totally dissipated at the end of the pulse, how does the collapsing magnetic field create this powerfull flybackspike ? What is the process ?

Thank' to pardon my ignorance, but i am missing something here.

Laurent

[synchro1]

Hi all
Thank's for info and proposals.
This setup in my videos is made to test Gotoluc's proposition concerning the flybackspike recovery.
Sofar i can confirm that the rotor spins easily and steadily when motorised by the "assistant" coil only.
Now for sure, those first and crude results are  encouraging and  motivating to go to a much better documented experiment.
Perhaps there will be people there to go in this direction.

Now one thing continues to puzzle me.

My beginner's knowledge indicates that, during the pulse, the main (low voltage ) motor coil, get a certain amount of electric energy (voltage and current) from the power station. This energy is dissipated for a small part in  heat due to the impedance of the coil and for the main part in building a magnetic field . During the building of the magnetic field its magnetic strength increases with the increasing current in the inductor and propels the rotor magnet which get kinetic energy.
So it seems to me, that at the end of the pulse, all the electrical input energy should have been transformed in some heat and the kinetic energy of the rotor, yes or not? And  the magnetic field seems to stay there at its max strength until the end of the pulse. yes or not?
Than it seems commonly admitted that at the end of the pulse, the magnetic field brutally collapses and creates the flybackspike.
But if the input energy is totally dissipated at the end of the pulse, how does the collapsing magnetic field create this powerfull flybackspike ? What is the process ?

Thank' to pardon my ignorance, but i am missing something here.

Laurent

@Laurent,

This goes back to Nicola's very first invention: The "Spark Gap Generator". Simply a capacitor with two electrodes over head. The capacitor charge begins to increase naturally, one plate grounded and the other attached to an antenna and collector. The resistance between the air gap spark electrodes begins to decrease as the intensity of the electro magnetic field from the capacitor plates increases resulting in a sudden spark discharge and magnetic field collapse. The "Arc of the Covenent" was just such a generator.

Tesla theorized that there were two ways to generate power: One; Magnetic field collapse and the other; "Faraday Induction". The field collapse generates a "Longitudinal Wave" that reaches the limits of the Universe in all dimensions down to the Quanta and to the ends of the Cosmos instantaneously.

This invokes the "Broadcast Power Equation". The power of a violent field collapse is infinite! Think about this!

Radio had it's beginnings when European experimenters, long before Tesla, discovered that a field collapse could excite iron filings at a remote distance. The B.C. "Arc" could play this trick! This combination could signal a coordinated attack command to separate concealed regiments!