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Sharing ideas on how to make a more efficent motor using Flyback (MODERATED)

Started by gotoluc, November 10, 2015, 07:11:57 PM

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synchro1

In woopjump's circuit, the flyback current needs the positively charged plate of the auxiliary capacitor to run toward while the Reed switch is open! This positively charged capacitor plate acts as the opposite current's new "Reverse Biased Ground"!

The Hi-voltage flyback spike travels through the auxiliary coil first to reach the positive cap plate and lowers the coil inductance triggering a capacitor discharge pulse backwards into the auxiliary coil. This discharge pulse powers the magnet rotor. The stored capacitor power is generated by the magnet rotor. This creates a timing event that has to be adjusted for by carefully positioning the auxiliary coil! The auxiliary output coil's polarity determines which of the capacitor plates is positive. This capacitor with no diode is a "Swinging Door".

Woopyjump removes the power coil and motors the magnet rotor solely with the auxiliary coil. He could easily run a second magnet rotor with the freed up power coil!

The question is: How did Luc get this all figured out to begin with?

tinman

Quote from: synchro1 on November 18, 2015, 09:02:24 PM
In woopjump's circuit, the flyback current needs the positively charged plate of the auxiliary capacitor to run toward while the Reed switch is open! This positively charged capacitor plate acts as the opposite current's new "Reverse Biased Ground"!

The Hi-voltage flyback spike travels through the auxiliary coil first to reach the positive cap plate and lowers the coil inductance triggering a capacitor discharge pulse backwards into the auxiliary coil. This discharge pulse powers the magnet rotor. The stored capacitor power is generated by the magnet rotor. This creates a timing event that has to be adjusted for by carefully positioning the auxiliary coil! The auxiliary output coil's polarity determines which of the capacitor plates is positive. This capacitor with no diode is a "Swinging Door".

Woopyjump removes the power coil and motors the magnet rotor solely with the auxiliary coil. He could easily run a second magnet rotor with the freed up power coil!

The question is: How did Luc get this all figured out to begin with?

Like I said, we are talking about two different things.
I am talking about the flyback from the primary coil, not the secondary coil tank circuit.
The current in the primary coil continues to flow in the same direction once the reed switch becomes open. BackEMF is an incorrect term for what is known as the inductive kickback. BackEMF is the voltage in an inductor that apposes that which created it.
Like Mags said, it should be called an inductive kick foward, but as the voltage inverts across the inductor, it got the name inductive kickback of flyback.

As the title of the thread says using flyback to increase motor efficiency, then I thought it important that the flybacks current flow direction is correctly known.

synchro1

Quote from: tinman on November 18, 2015, 11:56:27 PM
Like I said, we are talking about two different things.
I am talking about the flyback from the primary coil, not the secondary coil tank circuit.
The current in the primary coil continues to flow in the same direction once the reed switch becomes open. BackEMF is an incorrect term for what is known as the inductive kickback. BackEMF is the voltage in an inductor that apposes that which created it.
Like Mags said, it should be called an inductive kick foward, but as the voltage inverts across the inductor, it got the name inductive kickback of flyback.

As the title of the thread says using flyback to increase motor efficiency, then I thought it important that the flybacks current flow direction is correctly known.

@Tinman,

Pay attention Bub! The current from the primary coil generates a magnetic field that collapses and reverses current polarity and travels to the right at the junction when the Reed switch opens. When the Reed switch is closed the current from the primary coil travels to the left toward the negative ground! The yellow marker's pointing at the general area in the schematic below!

DaKrampus

Reading this thread and looking at the different videos gave me an idea.. for a project I have been working on.
Using a classical bedini circuit and running a second (identical one) on the back-emf alone.
Result

http://youtu.be/IZPmdtTTmz0

It also works with identical coils, although they dont pulse at the same time as this is going to be a 3 phase motor generator
But it will be more efficient than running it on one pulse motor alone..
Sorry the video was very quick (and dirty) but i had to do the experiment before i leave for holliday until next tuesday

Luciano

nilrehob

This ties directly into my 4th paper at https://sites.google.com/site/nilrehob/home/elementary-physics which is really cool :-)
The same thing can be done with charge and momentum etc, also in my papers.
I have a video showing it with charge at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZcvOWSXcbU

/Hob