A Perspective On The B Type EESD - Robert Murray-Smith - Any issues?

[tinman]

I am right ...... I told you I don't do drugs ! The thing is you guys don't know what a 5th is and that is why you are not getting anywhere ! Its the most important thing to learn in free energy and there is no OVER UNITY ... JUST FREE ENERGY..! There is so much free energy in the most basic of systems I cant begin to calculate it . All you have to go on is youtube and historic data and a lot of miss adventures in the field... Now the battery trick hahahah the battery can just charge its self up every time ! Its secret is in how you discharge it ......... 12V AT A 1 AMP hour limit has a maximum 12 second discharge rate ! A second is in fact an imperial number and not a metric number and all imperial numbers are harmonic ......... Its the law of nature and all electrical energy belongs to it !

Mile high is searching for any way he can to find a loop on his pancake coils but there the wrong coils hahahahha In this case with the cells there is something going on that is of interest but it does not calculate to what people want it to . I see no error in this mans work ! He has discharged into a system yet he finds he still has volts .. Ok and these volts at first seem to have no power but give it a few hours and the batteries will have some amps back ........ Now how does that happen ? Its best to isolate that your self and I do it in 2 ways one with a small universal motor say from a tile cutter 500 watt with added neo and ferrite magnets and tap it from a battery ..... But tap it in the 5th scale note of the frequency that the motor is spinning ! Do this for an hour than ground the negative of the battery to earth and the battery will charge it self up hahahhahahahah

The other way is with a negative charge into a small set of capacitors via a 22 watt transformer that has been swiped with a ferrite magnet ........ You tap the transformer at the primary coil yet you connect the capacitors to the secondary coil and you may need to use just one diode ............. To confirm your negative charge into the capacitor connect it to the battery and it will blow up hahahahah

Also leave the battery drain out but the volts will still show as normal or at least half the volts you started with and it will pull up the amps but if you add your negative cap to the negative of the battery the battery will charge to normal hahahahha

No need to charge a battery ever again hahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha !

93rd
Im not sure why,but you reminded me of a song Haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

[Nink]

i can achieve the same discharge curve as RMS shows with his EESD by using a 25 farad cap discharging over a 10 ohm resistor. The voltage and current drop over the given time are within a micky wisker of each other. So it would seem that RMS's EESD capacity is very close to 25 farads. The thing i dont know is to what voltage RMS's EESD can be charged to,where as the 25 farad cap can be charged to 2.7 volt's. At 1.5 volts,the 25 farad cap will store 28.125 joules of energy,but at 2.7 volts,it will store 91.125 joules of energy.

The other differences are
1-my 25 farad cap weighs some 16 times that of the EESD in total,
2-the super cap would be a lot more expensive to buy,than it would be to make the EESD.
3-If the EESD were lifted to the weight volume of that of the super cap-->in other words,we would have 16 of his EESD's charged to 1.5 volts,then the capacity would exceed that of the super cap by a factor 5x-or very close to,when the super cap was charged to the full 2.7 volts.

Things we still need to know
1-Cycle life of the EESD
2-safety issue's-like,will they catch fire if the load is too heavy
3-how fast can they be charged before heat destroys them.

Great research Tinman and appreciate the comparison with a 25 Farad cap. I believe the major challenge is with the Li-Ion comparison.  This is probably where we have the biggest gap.
Things we still need to knpow for B type EESD
1-Does Increased density of material increase storage (mA or V)
2- Total Weight of EESD cell (Seperator, cathode anode)
3-Storage time - how long till self discharge

and also your items for C- Type EESD
4- Peak Volt and Amp charge per cell
5-Cycle life
6-Safety will my car explode :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3G2ZWiEXXI

I believe the graphene super capacitor challenges can be solved but from a battery EESD perspective the gap appears to be very large. Perhaps the solution will be a Lithium graphene battery taking advantage of the storage density of Li-Ion and the fast charging properties of graphene supercaps.

[tinman]

Great research Tinman and appreciate the comparison with a 25 Farad cap. I believe the major challenge is with the Li-Ion comparison.  This is probably where we have the biggest gap.
Things we still need to knpow for B type EESD
1-Does Increased density of material increase storage (mA or V)
2- Total Weight of EESD cell (Seperator, cathode anode)
3-Storage time - how long till self discharge

and also your items for C- Type EESD
4- Peak Volt and Amp charge per cell
5-Cycle life
6-Safety will my car explode :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3G2ZWiEXXI

I believe the graphene super capacitor challenges can be solved but from a battery EESD perspective the gap appears to be very large. Perhaps the solution will be a Lithium graphene battery taking advantage of the storage density of Li-Ion and the fast charging properties of graphene supercaps.

I believe that the original term-ultra capacitor, was for the capacitor/battery hybrid.
They were getting around 4000 farads with a 12 volt potential in something the size of a AA battery. I believe you can buy these on ebay,and i think they were for car audio systems.

[MileHigh]

I have made no claims. I simply object to the way you tear people down and asassinate their character because they made an error. And as he said all through the video the numbers don't matter because the numbers are still amazing.

Why not just point out the mistake as Brad has done and then let's get on with it. I don't object to your knowledge, just the way you deliver it sometimes.

You are still playing straw man.  I don't tear people down and assassinate people's characters, stop saying it.  However, sometimes saying something in strong terms is a proportional response to the situation.  If your daughter was brought to the emergency and she needed blood and the doctor on staff wasn't aware that there are different blood types you would be pretty freaked out, aghast, and you would not want that "doctor" going anywhere near your daughter, right?  You might want to sue the hospital.  Well, if you are in the business of making battery cells and you are a director of a company, presumably in a technological capacity, that pitches new higher-energy-density battery cells and you completely fail to demonstrate competence in measuring the energy in your own cells, that's a pretty damn serious issue, don't you think?  The data as incorrectly presented  might be exaggerating the energy density by weight by 5X, 8X, or even higher.  That's a pretty serious problem, don't you think?

The numbers are NOT amazing, why are you saying that?  I just posted that the data as presented may show that he has no advantage over lithium-ion cells by wright, none.

Here is what Simon Derricutt stated about the issue on Revolution-Green:

MH - at 17:42 on that video it seems he's calculating on mAh/kg where he should be using mWh/kg. With a 3.8V Lithium battery and a maximum voltage of the EESD of 1.3V going down to around 200mV, with power varying as V², he's overstating the energy stored in the EESD by around 100 times and instead of being around 7 times the energy-density of Lithium cell it's instead around 1/14th of it. This is around what we predicted.That V² rule fools a lot of people. I'm however a bit surprised that RMS is getting it wrong. Could be one of those Doh! moments when he sees the mistake.
I haven't been following OU recently, so didn't see the responses.

Hey Jim, did you notice that for three or four postings that Atommix93 is attacking me and calling me all sorts of nasty names?  How come you have nothing to say about that?

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

So regardless of the mistakes you and i picked up on,it would still seems that the EESD exceeds todays super caps per weight volume by a factor of 5.

So now what?.

I would say to you, "so now nothing" until RMS can present credible data.  All bets are off.

All of you guys need to understand the scientific method and how the burden is on your shoulders to get it right.

I watched one of RMS's capacitor clips and he made a big claim about the size of the capacitor.  I asked him for measurements to back up his claims and he balked and got very testy.

Then I think you rode off of one of his clips and claimed that you made a 2600 farad capacitor.  But you didn't make measurements either.  I made a really quick and dirty estimate of the average charging power required based on your claim of 2600 farads and the amount of time it took you to charge the capacitor, which was something like a few minutes.   I calculated that the average charging power would have to be 20 watts.

Now think about that.  You have a super cap.  If the cap voltage is 0.2 volts you have to be pumping in 100 amps to be putting 20 watts of power into the cap.  If the cap voltage is 0.5 volts then you have to be pumping in 40 amps.  In the clip, if I recall correctly, you do charge the capacitor, and there no sense that the drain on the power supply is anything like that.

Just by eyeballing what you did in your clip, and making the roughest dirtiest paper napkin calculations, my conclusion was your claimed 2600 farads farads for the capacitor you made yourself is way way off.  Plus I saw no measurements and if you were hitching a ride on RMS's coattails to make an inference about the value of your own capacitor, then it's a no-go as far as I am concerned.

One day, you should make a serious measurement on your claimed 2600 farad capacitor.  You might be in for a surprise.  The whole mindset has to be trained to make serious measurements when you make your own components.  It's simply the right way to do things.  Don't hitch on anybody else's coattails because you believe your device is similar to theirs, or something like that.  Always make proper measurements yourself.

MileHigh