Evaporation Driven Self-Sustaining System

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I have been responding to questions asked.  My opening question was  "how do you maintain two environments, one wet and one dry?"  The inventors manually moved water to the top of devices to achieve this and the energy consumption to move the water exceeds the energy created by the wheel.    The premise of the invention is that the paper remains wet.  You have to keep the paper wet to make it work. You can only keep the paper wet by providing moisture to the paper. Either manually placing it in the reservoir as you see in the video or pumping moisture to just 1 half of the device. 

If the entire device was in a humid environment it would not work.  Both sides the spores would be wet and the wheel would become balanced and not rotate.

The invention as stated will not work without external intervention (manually moving water, fans or pumping in humid air).  You are trying to make it work using additional systems that further complicate the design and provide a strawman for your additional arguments that it works.

I agree the spores are quite amazing but I don't agree they can be used to generate power.  The inventors should be focusing on designs such as cut off relays for electronics when devices become moist (spores expand break circuit to battery), window defogger sensors that switch on when expanding and moisture builds up on car windows. There are lots of applications but perpetual motion wheels are not one of them.

I continue to assert that you can not have 2 separate environments with a wheel moving between them so it has to be open on one side. If it is open the environments will equalize unless you provide some type of system that is powered to maintain these 2 separate environments. If this is not the case the device will quickly equalize and stop functioning.

Sahin doesn't agree with you, and I don't either.  He believe the device can be made self-sustaining, as I do.  Here's a small quote by Sahin, "We made a lot of compromises in creating this version in hopes of creating a self-sufficient device.  We know actually that it can be made 100 times more powerful by solving a number of problems."

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Gravock

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If the entire device was in a humid environment it would not work.  Both sides the spores would be wet and the wheel would become balanced and not rotate.

Another false assertion by you!  If you live in a humid environment, then you don't need a water reservoir, wet paper towels, WarkaWater Tower, etc.  You would only need to install an oscillatory engine over one half of the moisture mill, which will pull the humidity out of the air and release it through the shutters.  This keeps one side of the wheel dry and the other side of the wheel humid.

Gravock

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Another false assertion by you!  If you live in a humid environment, then you don't need a water reservoir, wet paper towels, WarkaWater Tower, etc.  You would only need to install an oscillatory engine over one half of the moisture mill, which will pull the humidity out of the air and release it through the shutters.  This keeps one side of the wheel dry and the other side of the wheel humid.

Gravock

HOW DO YOU POWER YOUR "OSCILLATORY ENGINE" ?   WE ARE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES.

I am having a rube Goldberg moment, and this is usually the case with propetual motion machines. You just keep adding components to solve the problem the previous components created. 

[gravityblock]

The invention as stated will not work without external intervention (manually moving water, fans or pumping in humid air).  You are trying to make it work using additional systems that further complicate the design and provide a strawman for your additional arguments that it works.

No, it is you who is complicating the concept and misrepresenting the facts at every turn.  Water doesn't need to be manually moved as you continue to falsely assert.  Yes, they manually filled a reservoir with water in the video.  This was for demonstration purposes only, and wouldn't be necessary in a more fully developed system.  How can you be so shallow? ROFLMAO!

The system doesn't need to pump in humid air and to use an electrical fan to move this humid-controlled air around as you falsely assert!  That was a controlled experiment to simulate a moisture mill in a humid environment so they could collect data on the power output vs. the potential differences of the two environments.  In my previous post, I clearly showed how the system can be simplified in a humid environment and how it's easy to maintain two environments (1 humid and 1 dryer).

Gravock

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HOW DO YOU POWER YOUR "OSCILLATORY ENGINE" ?   WE ARE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES.

I am having a rube Goldberg moment, and this is usually the case with propetual motion machines. You just keep adding components to solve the problem the previous components created.

The shutters open and closes as the spores absorb and release humidity from the device.   This is how it keeps one side dryer than the other side.  I'm not adding components to solve the problem the previous components created as you falsely assert.  I added the oscillatory engine to the moisture mill to increase it's efficiency and power output.  If it's in a humid environment, then components, such as the water reservoir, wet paper towels, and the WarkaWater Tower isn't necessary.  If it's in a dry environment, then the water reservoir, wet paper towels, and the WarkaWater Tower is necessary.

Gravock