Rotating Magnetic Field's and Inductors.

[gyulasun]

The coil always made an equal "field". The resulting "force" is partly dependent on the magnetization of the magnet.

Are you saying Newton's 3rd does not hold?

Yes, this is what the tests seem to suggest. The higher the magnetization of the magnet, the stronger the resulting reaction force becomes, and this is not what the 3rd law states.

[verpies]

I also have now my non inductive 0.1 ohm CVR that i raided from an old DMM--should do the job ?

Yes it should do the job.
I can see that you have discovered my pet peeve - inductive CSRs

If you get the time,could you throw up a sketch of the best suited circuit for the equipment i have--keeping in mind that my FG and scope share common grounds.

I just looked into this tread.
Do you still want to do this after Itsu's discovery that the 10μF cap was in fact a 1μF cap ?

[poynt99]

Yes, this is what the tests seem to suggest.

I would disagree.

The higher the magnetization of the magnet, the stronger the resulting reaction force becomes, and this is not what the 3rd law states.

Where does the 3rd law state anything about the magnetization of a magnet?

Of course there is going to be different reaction forces, because there are also different action forces in the two cases of the two different magnets. But for the case of one particular magnet, the action and reaction forces will be equal. Therefore Newton's 3rd holds.

[gyulasun]

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Of course there is going to be different reaction forces, because there are also different action forces in the two cases of the two different magnets. But for the case of one particular magnet, the action and reaction forces will be equal. Therefore Newton's 3rd holds.

Well, it sounds possible.  Thanks for the answers.

[synchro1]

So how dose the rotor store more energy than it receives?--how dose it give back more than it is given. What about the friction losses in the bearings,and windage losses. Even though small,they are still there. So how is it we get more back than we put into spinning the rotor?. If losses are taken into account,and more work is being done to spin the rotor than what is given back due to losses,then why dose the P/in drop when the rotor is in position and part of the opperation of the system?. You can say what you like,and stick to what your books say,but it was indeed the external alternating magnetic fields that converted losses(like waste heat) into electrical energy.

I did the test you wanted me to,to standards above what you requested. The results are known from this test,and are very accurate. But now because those results do not conform to your !! laws !! you start putting forward more test,and more test. Im happy to do these test,and post the result's,but they will show the same thing every time--the system is always more efficient with the rotor and magnets in play.

Now we have Itsu working on the same thing-although in a different thread,and along side him we have Verpies doing all the calculations for those test's--sound familiar MH ?. I seem to remember carrying out some tests some time ago as per 2 EE's request(one of them now sadly not with us).
Now,if my test showed an under unity result,every one would have been happy-as they would be if Itsu's results were also under unity. But as the results that were calculated (by others) with my test,all sorts of bullshit started to flow--and so i pulled the plug on that. Now we see the same thing starting to happen in regards to the results that have so far been calculated from Itsu's test.

I have said all along MH,you have no room for change,and what i have seen here(and other forums) is that !!most!! of the well educated EE guys are much the same. Verpies and smudge are probably the only two EE guys i know that have an open mind,and not ruled by the book. It is guys like Verpies and Smudge that will go the whole nine yards,and not just dismiss findings as errors just because they are not in line with outdated !!laws!!.

Like you said MH--we shall see. And if Itsu's result's are correct,then we shall see if he can put all this together,and come up with some like--well,i dont know-->maybe a rotating device that can deliver more power to a load than it consumes,i mean that is what he appears to have ATM,only on a smaller scale-->now wouldnt that be a hoot

Brad

@Tinman,


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