Sticky point again

[thevorlon]

Any luck with your experiment clanzer? Did you use any of that shielding you purchased? Any updates for us?

[CLaNZeR]

Hi Thevorlon

The shielding will take a few days as UK this end and had to order it from the states.
No updates this end as busy doing daytime job to feed the kidz as well LOL!

Tend to push a couple of hours in here and there when I can like everyone else does. Best to treat it like a hobby or else mad scientist syndrome will definatly kick in!!

Spent a bit of time building a new Rig this week below though:



This now allows me to change the different wheels I have for playing with. Also added a spring loaded arm that can be easly changed for different designs.

Regards

Sean.

Any luck with your experiment clanzer? Did you use any of that shielding you purchased? Any updates for us?

[thevorlon]

Clanzer,

Thanks for the update. Could you share with us the size, type, and grade of magnets you are using in that setup?

By the way, my idea is to use a round piece of styrofoam as the base. Or, perhaps some of that material that people use when making flower arrangments. The green material that sits on the bottom of the vase and florists can stick their flowers in. That way it will be easy for me to insert my magnets in whatever pattern I want from the top of the rotor.

By the way, I have an important question I would like to ask you. I mentioned it in my other thread. Do you believe less energy is used getting past the "sticky point" than the energy gained after passing the sticky point? I think this is a critical question.

I have a few ideas to suggest about your setup, but would like to consider the above question first because it directly relates to them.

By the way, if you have the equipment could you make a video of you just playing around with what you have so far and post it to youtube or somewhere so we can look at it?

Seriously, thanks for all of your help and comments. I wish you luck and success! Hope to hear from you soon.

[CLaNZeR]

Hi TheVordon

The Neodymium magnets I use are Grade N38 and the size varies as have purchased so many different types now LOL

Regards the energy being used before or beyond the sticky point, with the spring loaded arm on my latest Rig I can pulse the arm a fraction of a second before it hits the sticky point and release atleast 5% pass the initial magnets so the repel strength has enough power to continue.
Of course the spring helps to push the magnets back into the field as such and keep the momentum going.
What is noticable is that you start off on slow revolutions having to move the main magnet further away to clear the field, but as the unit speeds up, you only have to move the main magnet a couple of mm.

I will do a video when I have something exciting to report, but videoing every fail can be tedious LOL!

Did have an idea this end flash to mind and that was that, the whole idea of this is to get more on the output than the input and to use a electronic magnet to get past the sticky point actually uses more energy than you can create from the motion of the wheel, well the bright idea was to use maybe instead of a electronic magnet that pulls alot of current to do the pulling of armature, was to maybe use the new muscle wire that everyone is raving about?
The thin muscle wire pulls about 50ma to move a short distance. Apply a current and the wire shortens, release the current and it goes back to normal. Only problem I can see is maybe the speed that it does this.

Regards

Sean.

Clanzer,

Thanks for the update. Could you share with us the size, type, and grade of magnets you are using in that setup?

By the way, my idea is to use a round piece of styrofoam as the base. Or, perhaps some of that material that people use when making flower arrangments. The green material that sits on the bottom of the vase and florists can stick their flowers in. That way it will be easy for me to insert my magnets in whatever pattern I want from the top of the rotor.

By the way, I have an important question I would like to ask you. I mentioned it in my other thread. Do you believe less energy is used getting past the "sticky point" than the energy gained after passing the sticky point? I think this is a critical question.

I have a few ideas to suggest about your setup, but would like to consider the above question first because it directly relates to them.

By the way, if you have the equipment could you make a video of you just playing around with what you have so far and post it to youtube or somewhere so we can look at it?

Seriously, thanks for all of your help and comments. I wish you luck and success! Hope to hear from you soon.

[Kent767]

Clanzer, you may want to consider non electrical methods of controlling the magnetic fields.


Steorn's patent for a LEMA is actually pretty easy to build... now it doesn't really turn off the magnet as the patent might imply, but it effectively allows you to shift a magnet some distance with little force required.. you can use this to pull a magnet far enough out of range that it will glide past the sticky point.

I have some design ideas using the LEMA, on the new steorn thread the thevorlon started.