Study of Generator Coil Acceleration Under Load (moderated)

[gotoluc]

Very interesting video Luc.  Thank you kindly for sharing it with us.

So what we think is happening is the magnetic field is propagating through the core material similar to dominoes falling and like any wave, there are nodes and valleys.  When the coil is positioned in the proper location it creates a reflection back to the prime mover that is exactly in tune with its rotation.

This makes me think the coil and core is behaving somewhat like a transmission line and with a transmission line we also have impedance that must be matched.  Gets a little confusing because we have magnetic properties as well as electrical properties both in play here.

Your demonstration certainly provides a lot of food for thought.  Thanks again.

Thanks, you seem to understand it very well!

Luc

[gotoluc]

@gotoluc

Son of a gun. I just saw this thread and your video. hahahahaha Life is just so great sometimes when things just start falling into place.

Here is what I think needs to done next.

To simplify things, since the coil is showing an AC sine wave maybe consider just using a small rheostat and a bulb instead of your resistors. That will give you infinite load adjustment.

What you really want to know here is what is going on in that sliding coil. Taking a differential reading is like calling New York, then calling Los Angeles and then saying "I know what's happening in the USA". Very deceiving.

What we need to see is what is happening on each added layer of that coil. We think that the core to coil impress is making "electrons flow" (using regular terms here for now) through all of that coil which is a multi layer, mag wire type with tight turns and "no space between layers". I have just posted on this and such a situation I see know as producing what I call Coil Bypass. I think that is what you are seeing there.

If you can drill small holes on one side of that plastic coil spool up to the end turns of the coil and just send one pointy probe and scope it and see the difference from one layer or a few layers to the next few layers, this will give you so much more information then you ever had. hahaha

The other experiment is you take two lengths of identical wire and identical spools. You wind one length on one spool as usual, layer after layer, tight. The other you wind same way but you add a spacer between layers so the layers cannot touch each other. Then you do comparison studies of these two and this will again tell you a lot more then you knew before. Remember old transformers with paper between layers. WHY do we not see that anymore? Was is to efficient? hahaha

The point is this. There is technical process and there is reality process. We technically think the impress is "flowing" through that whole coil. But the coil really has three parts. First layer, mid layers and outer layer. The the coil has first layer starting near the magnet passage or far from the magnet passage. These are all important variables, but in most cases, regardless if you put the coil one way or the other you get the same result. WHY? ? It is because the copper atoms don't care about layers. If the impulse on layer 1 can jump direct to layer 2 without going through the actual windings of layer 2, and then jump to layer 3 without going through the windings of layer 3 and so on, because there is more "resistance" in the winding of those layers then for the impulse to simple jump a few layers, this I call Coil Bypass. So I have found that pulse driven coils suffer from Half Coil Syndrome and pick up coils "may" suffer from Coil Bypass. Copper atoms are way smarter then us for now but if we can find their secrets, we will never wind coils the same way again. hehehe

The other thing is this. We need to develop a sure way to scope our devices with only the probe, while leaving the ground open to the atmosphere or connected to a floating coil of an accepted type to make the ground reference the same for all experimenters. If this can be done, then you will be able to see the direct waveform and not this damn differential wave form that says nothing but "Overall, things work like this or that". We cannot advance with overall, we need precise.

Great work as usual and sorry if this post is not the norm.

wattsup

Okay wattsup,

thanks for your post.

I don't know how much I'm going to work on this. It was a quick slap together so some who can't build can see this effect.
Also, to test a special super low impedance coil I've been thinking of building for this effect ,which I built and tested and posted the results.

I may or may not build something better. My priority is still the Motor with flyback assist motor. I'm just waiting for the last parts to come in.

All the best in your research

Luc

[plengo]

...There is a phase shift issue which is not fully explained,...

Thanks MH.


Can you expand on this comment? You mean not fully explained scientifically or on the experiment itself?


Fausto.

[plengo]

@All,


what measurements and experiments would you guys propose to measure this at a provable point? Whatever is the point. Sometimes I see people arguing about the "no free energy" on the apparatus and other times it is just implied. In this experiment I did not see or hear the words "free energy" but only "more efficient motor".


MH presented a possible explanation but it is too vague to conclude anything. Gotluc did an amazing job in nailing this effect down into a very simple experiment that we all can replicate (I am about to do it too).


I think we NEED a set of tests and measurements that can scientifically be explained into a MODEL, whatever that model is, so it becomes very clear the whats and hows.


Ideas?

Fausto.

[MileHigh]

Thanks MH.

Can you expand on this comment? You mean not fully explained scientifically or on the experiment itself?

Fausto.

I mean that it is not explained in the experiment itself.  Luc stated that it was just a quick demo of the "effect" and he would not be doing any more for this testing.

About one or two years ago ConradElectro wanted to see "acceleration under load" and quickly reproduced the effect.  But we went one step further, we actually measured the power being dissipated on the load side - the pick-up coil and the load resistor.  We measured the initial power dissipation and then the power dissipation after the "acceleration."  The second measurement showed less power was being dissipated and therefore that's why the rotor sped up.

You can expect the same thing would happen in this clip with the Dremel.  The only rational reason for the Dremel to speed up is if there is less of a mechanical load on the motor.  You can determine the mechanical load by measuring the total electrical load.  So it's not "acceleration under load" it's actually "acceleration under less of a load."  I am sure that you can find dozens of clips of "acceleration under load" and I bet you that you will not find anyone actually measuring the power dissipated in the total load before and after.  The entire concept is not true.  In effect, what's happening is an inversion of what the expectation is:  People think that they are adding a load, but in fact what they are really doing is reducing the load.  So the whole thing is a mistake that took on a life of it's own.