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Moon Walkers.

Started by tinman, January 22, 2016, 04:30:29 AM

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author=MileHigh link=topic=16359.msg472551#msg472551 date=1453988866






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I doesn't make sense that you can pull up quotes from all over the thread and miss what I said:

I did not just pull up quotes from all over the thread. This was your first quote you used to try and explain as to why the flag wavered as the astronaut bounced on past it. As we are trying to explain anomalies of something very important,then you should be using exact values when trying to explain the anomalies-not just examples that are 600% out.

QuoteI was quoting the weights of the astronaut and the suit in a purely colloquial sense.  You ran with that and took it to it's absurd literal end and used the moon's gravitational acceleration - as if that had anything to do with it - which it doesn't.

Which it dose.

Quote<<<   What's the "m" in f = ma? >>>

F=MA is a generic expression of Newton's Second Law,and  can be transformed to express weight as a force by replacing the acceleration A with the acceleration of gravity G.
W=MG
Where W is weight or gravitational force
M=Mass (KG)
And G is the acceleration of gravity.

Quote<<< I intentionally switched from pounds to kilograms because pounds is a wishy-washy English unit that can mean weight or mass, whereas kilograms is universally understood to mean MASS ONLY.  Clearly you were not aware of that, as in, "The combined weight is 21.45kg's(now that you have gone metric)." >>>I have probably told you about 20 times in the thread so far that it is the mass that counts and not the weight.   Just a few posts earlier I said it again:

If you use the correct formula MH,then the weight matters a great deal.
On the moon it is-->(1 kg) (9.81 m/s2) / 6= 1.64N,--> And on earth it is (1 kg) (9.81 m/s2)= 9.81N
Are you seeing where you incorrect weights will make a huge difference now MH?.
1.61 Newtons of force as apposed to your 9.81 Newtons of force.
9.81/1.61x100=609.31. So once again,you are over 600% out with your force.

Quote<<< In all three cases the impact energy will be the same.  It's not about weight, it's about mass.  >>>

Um-no, The impact energy will not be the same. Your calculations produce an impact energy that is over 600% more than it would be when the correct weight is used-as explained above.


QuoteI have seen you pull this silly "selective memory" stunt before.

What we !all! have just seen,is your attempt at tipping the scales in favor of your silly earth quake producing astronaut ,that impacts the moons surface with enough energy to cause the flag to waver. This sad attempt at misdirection and cause,just go's to show how stupid or naive some one can be,when it come's to something they must believe in,and will maintain that belief at any cost.

As i said at the start of this thread MH-->you simply do not belong here,due to your bias toward the moon landings. As we have all just seen,it removes you from the scientific view,and all your scientific method's go out the window.

Brad.

MileHigh

Well, you belong in a Physics 101 class because you are dead wrong and it's futile because you are determined to resist what I am saying to you.

One of the great weaknesses of this forum is the abject fear and/or messed up peer pressure to not correct a mistake being made by one of your friends.  Only LibreEnergia has the "guts" to tell you that you are wrong.

This seriousness weakness in this forum means that people can get away with saying the most ridiculous stuff or simply make flat-out wrong statements and almost nobody will correct them.  It's ridiculous and totally counter-productive.

So right now you are a victim of the very serious flaw in this forum because your friends are reading you making a crazy mistake - like you are lacking in basic physics common sense - and they are saying nothing and it all just becomes a spectacle.

I wish some other people would step up to the plate and post here telling Brad that he is dead wrong.  Only if that happens will you then come out of your trance, wake up, and do some research and undertake to educate yourself and learn what you need to learn.   And then if you have any guts you will come back and make a posting acknowledging that you were wrong the whole time.

MileHigh

With respect to the flag pole planted in the moon's crust, there is a distinct possibility that when a sound wave traveling through the crust hits it from the astronaut's impact something interesting happens.

It's possible that the low-frequency sound wave from the "thump" is close enough to a resonant frequency mode of the flag pole system - the vertical flag pole, the horizontal pole holding up the flag, and the flag itself.  A small amount of energy in the sound wave travels up the vertical flag pole and then into the horizontal pole holding up the flag, and then the energy gets dumped into the flag itself and dissipates in the wavering flag.

It's possible that the flag pole system acts like a "resonant seismograph" that is quite sensitive to the vibrations of the astronaut acting like a 130 kg "ground thumper" and gives an exaggerated response to the sound waves traveling through the moon's surface.

But I seriously doubt that that possibility occurred to you.

Nink

or a small meteorite hit it or solar winds from the sun or gaseous venting on the lunar lander or a  .... but I am betting they forgot to turn the air conditioning vent above the stage off.

TinselKoala

There is lots of video that shows the flag not moving _at all_, not one little bitty flutter or twitch or wave, when there is nobody close to it.

Look at the documentary I posted up above for examples.

But of course that video footage is faked too, isn't it.



Don't forget: there was no CGI in those days. The technology simply _DID NOT EXIST_ to fake things like the videos of the LEM in space, approaching the Command Module for docking, and etc. Look at any big-budget sci-fi movie from the 60s and 70s.... nothing in them looks so real as the _real_ footage from the Apollo missions. Even "2001", Kubrick's best effort, released in 1968.... you can tell the space scenes were filmed using models.

Today of course things are different, thanks to computers. CGI and special effects have overtaken reality. But remember... those NASA videos were released back then in real time. They were not made last week and back-dated.