Moon Walkers.

[tinman]

Well, you belong in a Physics 101 class because you are dead wrong and it's futile because you are determined to resist what I am saying to you.

One of the great weaknesses of this forum is the abject fear and/or messed up peer pressure to not correct a mistake being made by one of your friends.  Only LibreEnergia has the "guts" to tell you that you are wrong.

This seriousness weakness in this forum means that people can get away with saying the most ridiculous stuff or simply make flat-out wrong statements and almost nobody will correct them.  It's ridiculous and totally counter-productive.

So right now you are a victim of the very serious flaw in this forum because your friends are reading you making a crazy mistake - like you are lacking in basic physics common sense - and they are saying nothing and it all just becomes a spectacle.

I wish some other people would step up to the plate and post here telling Brad that he is dead wrong.  Only if that happens will you then come out of your trance, wake up, and do some research and undertake to educate yourself and learn what you need to learn.   And then if you have any guts you will come back and make a posting acknowledging that you were wrong the whole time.

Im done with you MH.
You need help. If you cannot understand as to the difference in weight between what you stated and the correct weight of the combined, and the energy used to raise the astronaut and his suit, and that being the exact energy returned to the moons surface, then your lost.
You have done nothing but do your best to disrail this thread, in order to keep your moon walkers safe. In no way have you tried to look at this from a scientific way, but in stead, put up incorrect values to increase your chances of some one believing in your idiotic moon quake man.

Now what you need to do is think about you mistake, and correct it. And if you believe that for one minute that anyone is going to believe that an astronaut and his suit that weighs 130kgs is going to have the same impact on the moons surface to that of an astronaut and his suit that weighs 600% less than that on the moon-you have rocks in your head.

I am not wronv MH , and that is why no one is saying I am except Libre, who I expect did not know the whole story to this argument.
Once again MH, if an astronaute and his suit weighs 130kgs on the moon, then the energy dissipated when he lands on the surface will 600% more than an astronaut and his suit that weighs a total of only 21.45kgs, when there motion is the same. If you think that it will be the same due to the mass being the same-then like I said-you had better throw away those books.because that is utter crap

[MileHigh]

You are in a very strange place right now Brad.

A 130 kg astronaut hitting the moon at 2 meters per second will hit the moon with the same impact energy as a 130 kg astronaut hitting the Earth at 2 meters per second.

And you clearly can't understand that because you have a mental block because all that you can see is that his weight is lower in the moon's gravity.  You think that the weight somehow "overrides" the mass, which is wrong.

Let's take it to the extreme and perhaps this will wake you up and and make you see the light.

An astronaut with a mass of 130 kg is up close to a small asteroid in the asteroid belt.  The asteroid has a diameter of a few hundred meters and has a mass of several million metric tons but it's gravity field is only 0.0001 G.

The astronaut is out of control and careening towards the asteroid at 10 meters per second and he is going to crash into it.

But according to you, that's no problem.  He only "weighs" "13 grams" (using your terminology).

Yeah, sure.  The astronaut only weighs 13 grams so when he hits the stationary asteroid that has a mass of millions of metric tons at 10 meters per second he will not be injured.  After all, the amount of energy in the crash would be like throwing a 13-gram chunk of cheese at the ground on Earth.

Can you see how ridiculous your train of thought is now?  Time for you to wake up.

[tinman]

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You are in a very strange place right now Brad.

A 130 kg astronaut hitting the moon at 2 meters per second will hit the moon with the same impact energy as a 130 kg astronaut hitting the Earth at 2 meters per second.

MH,you must be smoking some good stuff over there. Do you even look at your own writing's?.
How on earth(or the moon) do you come up with the astronaut weighing the same on the moon as he weighs on earth. Continually you make the same mistake over and over--you are really starting to make your self look stupid--this is the (must believe in the moon landings)stupid. The astronaut that weigh's 130 KG's on earth will not weigh 130 KG's on the moon. Do you not know the difference between the earth's and moon's gravitational force. If your astronaut weighs 130KG's on the moon,he will weigh some where near 787 KG's here on earth.--do you see how flawed your statement is,and how incorrect you are when you try and say the same astronaut will weigh the same here on earth as he dose on the moon.

Here are exact weights MH
The suit complete with the PLSS weighed 180lb's here on earth
Neil Armstrong (we'll use him as our example) weighed 165lb's here on earth.
The combined weight is 345lb's here on earth.
So how much dose he and his suit complete weigh on the moon MH?

I now see you are trying out your tricks again MH,to try and save face-but once again,you have failed,as i caught you out again. You always try and twist and turn thing's around as soon as you realize you have screwed up,and now people watching this thread will see what you have done.
Once again,your weights used to try and justify your argument that the astronauts and there suits caused moon quakes large enough to cause the flag pole to bounce around that much that the flag started wavering.
Because the 170-pound astronaut and the 120-pound space suit form a 290-pound "ground thumper" that hits the ground for every bounce.  That makes the ground shake, a small portion of the energy from the bounce makes the flag pole rattle.

As we are talking about the flag wavering on the moon,and you have stated that the flag pole is made to !rattle!,we know you are referring to the moon when you say ground. I now see you have tried to slip in a curve ball-->A 130 kg astronaut hitting the moon at 2 meters per second will hit the moon with the same impact energy as a 130 kg astronaut hitting the Earth at 2 meters per second
Once again you have screwed up in your attempt at yet another misdirection. We all know that MH-we all know that the same mass with the same velocity will impact any surface with the same energy. But once again MH,the astronauts will not be traveling at the same velocity-will they. We have all seen the NASA video's you love so much,and we also know due to the difference in the gravitational acceleration between earth and the moon,the astronauts will have an do have a lower velocity on the moon when they bounce around--we can all see this in the slow motion NASA video's MH-->nice try,but i caught you out again.

So MH,when Neil and his suit jump up to a height of say 300mm here on earth,and he dose the same on the moon,will he impact the moon with the same,less,or more energy than he would here on earth--it's that simple MH. Your moon quakes DO NOT come from an astronaut and his suit that have a combined weight of 290lb's as you tried to peddle-your moon quakes come from an astronaut and suit that has a combine weight of only 47.85lb's.
The only reason you are fighting this with your incorrect rubbish,is so it looks better for you ,as you know that anyone that reads a measly weight of 47.85lb's as being the cause for these moon quakes that are large enough in magnitude to make a flag wave around,are just going to laugh at you.

And you clearly can't understand that because you have a mental block because all that you can see is that his weight is lower in the moon's gravity.  You think that the weight somehow "overrides" the mass, which is wrong.

There you go again,another attempt at misdirection. It is you that has the metal block MH,and the more you try to misdirect the original argument,the more i will expose you for what you are.
The mass remains the same ,regardless of where that mass is. The weight of that mass changes between the earth and the moon. On the moon,the astronauts velocity is slower due to the lower gravitational force,than it would be here on earth if the same motion of the astronaut on the moon is recreated here on earth--can you not see the reduced velocity in there movements on the moon MH,from those lovely videos?.

Let's take it to the extreme and perhaps this will wake you up and and make you see the light.

An astronaut with a mass of 130 kg is up close to a small asteroid in the asteroid belt.  The asteroid has a diameter of a few hundred meters and has a mass of several million metric tons but it's gravity field is only 0.0001 G.

The astronaut is out of control and careening towards the asteroid at 10 meters per second and he is going to crash into it.

But according to you, that's no problem.  He only "weighs" "13 grams" (using your terminology).
Yeah, sure.  The astronaut only weighs 13 grams so when he hits the stationary asteroid that has a mass of millions of metric tons at 10 meters per second he will not be injured.  After all, the amount of energy in the crash would be like throwing a 13-gram chunk of cheese at the ground on Earth.
Can you see how ridiculous your train of thought is now?  Time for you to wake up

That is not my train of thought MH-that is your attempt at misdirection-and i caught you out again.
You are trying very hard to make your original statement and weight measurements stick,but they do not. You need to go and learn the difference between the earths and moons gravitational force MH. You need to use weights that reflect that of those on the moon,when trying to present a theory base around moon activities--not bloody weights that are relevant to earth.

So i will try one last time MH.
The weight of the astronaut and his suit bouncing past the flag on the moon,is NOT 290lb's,it is 47.85lb's. The impact energy on the moon surface made by an astronaut and suit that weighs (the correct weight of)47.85lb's is going to be over 600% less than the impact energy of an astronaut and his suit that weighs 290lb's on the moon,where there motion and velocity are the same.
One last time MH-which has the most impact force
1-290lb's impacting the moon at 2m/sec, or 47.85lb's impacting the moon at 2m/sec ?

Get your weights right MH,as it makes a big difference when you are in an environment that has 1/6th the gravity of earth. And stop trying to twist things around,so as you can try and save your idiotic moon quake theory-->which i might mention that you dropped as soon as you thought PW had a better theory--which fell in a big hole as well

Brad.

[tinman]

Do you even bother to check the references I provide for you?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6dZVM1UuwQ


etc. etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA&list=PLMu_JGF2rQtd7QSZwWBz_pNzThMg2_E0_

Lol,myth busters.

The first successful tests were carried out in 1962 when a team from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology succeeded in observing laser pulses reflected from moon's surface using a laser with a millisecond pulse length. Similar measurements were obtained later the same year by a Soviet team at the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory using a Q-switched ruby laser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTL86Ua8UAM

That lift off video would have to be the worst attempt at replicating a lift from the moon.
When leaving the ground ,and heading straight up,you do not get ground objects coming into frame from the top right corner,and reducing in size and exiting the bottom left corner lol. Look at any video of a camera attached to a rocket ,and you will see that all land form enters view from all side of the camera view. NASA got it very close to right in the apollo 17 video of the lift off from the moon. The apollo 11 liftoff video is clearly fake,and in no way represents the view from a camera that is attached to a space craft that is heading away from the surface of the moon.

As i said,NASA got it very close to right in apollo 17,and apollo 15 @ 9:40
Here is how it should look. View small screen in top right corner during liftoff--see the difference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6dZVM1UuwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlGis35Epvs

[tinman]

Well this bit of evidence should keep the believers busy for a while--lets see how you go with this one.
I want you all to know that i have nothing against the American people,as i have many friends from there,and think you are a great bunch of people. My peeve is not just with NASA,as they are only puppets controlled by the puppet master-that being the government. And it is not only the American government that i have issues with,it is with all western government's,and the way they conduct them self. It is also very sad to hear that your constitution and your rights in accordance with that constitution can be simply over ruled by your current president Mr Obama. So i see that you are about to go down the same path we Australians went down some time ago-that being in regards to your right to bare arm's,and how those rights will be changed without any regard to your constitution.  I wish you all well on that one. The fact is,my government is no better than any other western government,and some how we have gone from governments that are suppose to represent us and our well being,to governments that believe they can do what ever they feel like doing-regardless of weather it is in our best interest or not. We only have to look at the WFC bail out,and who got bailed out,and who lost there homes-->the public paid for the crimes of the big banks.

To go any further forward in this world,we have to expose these governments for what they are,and the lies and deceit they practice. So if you think i have the shit's on with the way governments treat the public these days--your dam straight i have. Anyway,on with the project at hand.

Before i posted this video,i did some double checking my self-as can all of you here. Everything in this video is true,and that will be quite easy for you to find out your self. I will post some expanded HD pictures,along with the direct link to the album the pictures came from. I have added a few more than the video had. All pictures are during TEC" (Trans-Earth Coast), which was during the return journey to Earth after the moonwalks had already taken place. I will post a couple of pictures in the next 4 post,as they are large,and there is a limit to how many i can put in one post. The thread page will also expand when i post these pictures,and i am sorry for that,but i want to present the best quality pictures i can.
The link to the album the pictures cam from is below,along with NASA'a reference PDF for the apollo 17 mission  70mm,35mm,and 16mm photograph's. All verbal statements by Cernan and Schmitt regarding the condition of there hands, can be heard in the Apollo 17 video's.

As you will see in every picture,there hands have not been submitted to any type of trauma they claim. There is not one post moon landing picture that shows any type of stress they claimed there hands were under,or any of the injuries they claimed was caused by the gloves during moon surface activities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR3KeHq_tJI

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/72157658592613769

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17.photidx.pdf


Brad