Moon Walkers.

[tinman]

So i have found a site that has all of NASA's high res pictures--with large zoom capabilities.
This is a treasure trove to the researchers out there.

Below is a couple of high res close up's of the lunar landers of Apollo 16 and 17.
I mean ,just have a look at these wrecks . Are you truly trying to tell us that these wrecks carried man to and from the moon?-->i mean REALLY lol. This has to be some sort of joke
Square cut unfinished corners of sheet metal--the flooring base looks like corrugated zincalume sheeting from some farmers hay shed--all the seems are coming apart-->i mean,just look at the wrecks.
And you have the balls to say that i couldnt design and build a vehicle that could opperate in the vacuum of space.
All NASA's millions to build the best of the best -yea right--looks like it.

[tinman]

Now for the stolen lunar lander.
Below-the first pic is of the lunar lander in it's landing position.
The second pic is taken from a further distance--notice any thing missing in the second picture.
I have attached the mission and image number,so as you can go check your self. There is also 3 other high resolution pictures from different angles that also show no sign of the lunar lander.

So if some one thumped the lunar escape module,how did the astronauts get off the moon.
Yea ,i know it sounds just stupid,but the facts are in the pictures provided by NASA them self.

[picowatt]

Tinman,

Based on the two photos being from different EVA's and film magazines,
and with different sun elevation angles, I would say the issue is merely one of perspective
and viewing direction.  You may believe that the mountains in the background are the same
ones, but looking at them closely, I am not so sure.  Also notice the difference in the slope
of the ground.  I am not sure what you believe these images prove.

Here is the data I was able to find regarding the images.  With regard to the "Description" line,
I would have to do more research to decipher what is provided, perhaps you have the time to do so.


Data for AS17-146-22388

Image Collection:    70mm Hasselblad
Mission:    17
Magazine:    146
Magazine Letter:    F
Lens Focal Length:    60 mm
Sun Elevation:    37°
Mission Activity:    EVA 3
Description:    STA 8; LUNAR ROVING VEHICLE; LUNAR MODULE PILOT
Film Type:    SO-368
Film Width:    70 mm
Film Color:    color


Data for AS17-134-20435

Image Collection:    70mm Hasselblad
Mission:    17
Magazine:    134
Magazine Letter:    B
Lens Focal Length:    60 mm
Sun Elevation:    17°
Mission Activity:    EVA 1
Description:    STA SEP; SURFACE ELECTRICAL PROPERTIES EXPERIMENT; PARTIAL PAN; LUNAR ROVING VEHICLE
Film Type:    SO-368
Film Width:    70 mm
Film Color:    color

[picowatt]

I have posted video's of both the ISS commander ,and a NASA engineer that have both said that we cannot yet traverse the van allen belt's. Perhaps you go argue with them?.
I have also posted video's of the apollo astronaut's that had no clue as to weather they went through the van allen belt's or not--are you going to argue these two point's ?.


As you guys often say-->you can see the forest for the tree's.

Yes, very nice "quote mining".  If you really wanted to do your case justice, you would find a transcript or video of the entire interviews, etc, and not provide snippets taken out of context and posted in a video by someone who apparently doesn't even believe the ISS is real.   

Do you know how innovative and yet elegantly simple the rover's thermal management system was

Yes i do. It was about as innovative as the photographic paper the picture below was printed on,and the plastic bag it was wrapped in.

Your lack of appreciation for the rover's engineering astounds me.  Go for it, show us your thermal management calculations and engineering solutions.  I know I would not be able to pull that off without seeking out the consultation of appropriate engineers and scientists capable af answering a lot of design related questions regarding conditions on the lunar surface and those experienced during launch.

I would think that an "active" or "passive" mechanical engineer such as yourself (whatever that actually means) should be able to appreciate what goes into a design like the rover.  Even an appreciation for the complexity involved in just designing an appropriate "shake and bake" test seems to escape you.

Quote: I've seen figures stated as extreme as  +/- 200C (+392 to -328F)

Well if a picture and plastic bag can survive those temperatures,then how can you say that thermal control is an issue.
Time and time again,NASA shoots them self in the foot,and shows us evidence time and time again that the moon landings were a hoax. But no matter what evidence any one provides that clearly shows the whole thing was a hoax,you (and others) turn a blind eye to it all--as you must believe it was real,regardless of any evidence to the contrary.

So how is it that the picture that Charles Duke placed on the moon dose not shrivel up PW,if temperatures are as high as you have posted.?

I stated what the temperature "extremes" of the Moon in general are.  Based on the numbers you gave, that is what I thought you were asking about.  I would have to consult with an appropriate thermodynamic engineer if you wanted to know the temperature of a specific object of given surface characteristics and at a given sun angle in the lunar environment. 

As far as the surface temperature where the photo is placed, I do not know what it was at that specific time, do you?  However, like asking about how the astronauts survived at "night", if you did a bit of research, some of this would be way more obvious to you.

However, regarding that image of a photo on the surface of the moon, I am sure it looks a bit different now if it is still there.  But at the time it was taken, how long had it been on the surface and what did you think should have happened in that time period?  Are you just guessing about those answers or do you have some kind of evidence that a photo wrapped in plastic with a given reflectance and in a particular solar flux in the lunar vacuum placed on the lunar surface for "X" amount of time prior to being photographed should have done what? 

You are reaching for straws.

[AB Hammer]

Brad/tinman

The two picture of the rover are from two different direction and. Note the second photo that doesn't sown the lander show a foothill on the second mountain. No smoking gun there. Also for the flimsy lander that they are famous for due to weight constraints. Don't overlook shielding of some sort.

Alan