Keshe update

[NickZ]

   That sounds a bit like how the idea of the Colman type devices are supposed to operate. By polarizing the powdered materials, by using a strong RF signal.  However, we tried to do that with the "crystal cells" but for some reason it didn't really do much.
   
   It sounds like you are thinking that gravitational waves or fields are the same thing as magnetic waves.
Although they both come from and are made by the same source, dark energy, Aether, call it what you will, in conjunction with a vortex, they are not the same thing.
   In any case,  I believe that the cause of both types of waves is a result of the "field" that they are under. No field, no waves. Any radioactive materials are only giving off what they are continually obtaining from the "Source".
   
   Tesla was no fool. Nor was it stone age thinking, to produce the results that he was able to produce.
   
   The process of "polarization" of the materials involved leads to the the ability to produce the wanted results, OU.

   Same thing with what we call Sunlight, which does not come from the Sun, at all, as we are still being taught to this day.
   There is a reason for the stone age misconceptions. And it's not what we are being told.
   As Sun light is not coming from the Sun,  and is produced here on Earth on the side facing a light source, our Sun.
There is no traveling of the light to get here from the Sun. Light does not travel, it polarizes, instead. Nothing is traveling, at the speed of light. No electrons, no photons nothing is traveling. Light speed and the manufacture of light is a result of polarization of the photons, instead, without any "traveling" involved.
   My two cents...

[citfta]

Hi wattsup,

Your analysis has certainly thrown a different light on this subject.  I had written Keshe off as another wacko that didn't have a clue what he was doing.  After reading your thoughts I guess I need to consider the possibility there may be more to this than first appears.  Thanks for sharing you thoughts.  I am certainly not convinced yet there is something to this but I will try to be more open minded about the possibility of there being something to it.

Thanks,
Carroll

[citfta]

Nickz,

Do you have a thread or website somewhere that explains your theory that light doesn't travel?  I don't want to clutter up this thread with a discussion about your idea but I think I see some serious flaws in that theory.  But I am willing to hear what you have to say about it if you have some place to do that.  If you don't already have a thread then maybe you should start one.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[NickZ]

  Perhaps I should start a new thread.
  I only mentioned what I did, to spark the interest of those that already may know about this.
Not to contradict or confuse others, with what I can't prove, as yet.
  I have also heard the theory of what light is and how it travels, from point A to point B. But, they never explain what it is that's "traveling", nor can they prove that idea. Nor can they prove the Big Bang Theory, as well. Because, something just can't come from nothing, in one big bang. But, they expect you to believe that, also, and base their science on it.
Or, How when there is no light and no heat in space (toward our Sun), how that can light and heat this planet. It can't and it doesn't. Dust has nothing to do with it, either.
  NASA has been lying to us forever. Ever wonder why? Our teachers and texts books also repeat their false theories and made up stories, as fact. Which our school kids are brainwashed into believing, and most of the rest of us, as well.
 
   Any ways, I won't take up any more space on this thread. Just thought that it relates to Wattsup's idea of polarization. As it's the process of polarization that creates light out of darkness. When the photons aline to a light source, this alinement of the photonic needles create light. Light and darkness are going on at all times. The alinement of the photonic needles to a light source is what creates light, and when they are at random and not alined there is no light.
   That's it in a nutshell.  I know that most won't or don't believe.  But, I do. And I may not be the only one that does.

[wattsup]

   That sounds a bit like how the idea of the Colman type devices are supposed to operate. By polarizing the powdered materials, by using a strong RF signal.  However, we tried to do that with the "crystal cells" but for some reason it didn't really do much.

Are the crystal cells conductive? Which atoms are involved. There is your answer.

   It sounds like you are thinking that gravitational waves or fields are the same thing as magnetic waves. Although they both come from and are made by the same source, dark energy, Aether, call it what you will, in conjunction with a vortex, they are not the same thing.

Ha,ha,ha. I know it's hard to fathom. I had sleepless nights for a good year. No there is no such a thing as a field. No magnetic, no prophetic either. Magnets do not exude a field. They are an inward localized gravity source. Like a little planet. Each magnet is its own planet without the need of a plasma core. All fields you have ever measured used copper or conductive material in one form or another. Copper atoms sensing gravity presence without any field.

It's like walking into a room with 100 people and all of a sudden you see this totally knock-out babe on the other side of the room. You did not need a field to tap you on the shoulder and say "Hey look at her". You see her because she is there. You see the sun because it is there. You do not see the sun light as arriving to your eyes, you see the sun from where it actually is.

The field is a stone age construct by people who could not fathom that an atom had enough talent to render it conductive on its own.

   In any case,  I believe that the cause of both types of waves is a result of the "field" that they are under. No field, no waves. Any radioactive materials are only giving off what they are continually obtaining from the "Source".

Yes, tell that to the shark that just sensed a drop of blood a mile away. Ask  him if he sensed the blood field or just sensed the blood for being blood. This is where we will need to advance away from the field construct and back into true physical atomic cause and effect with the reactive nucleic mechanisms already built into each atom. That' what the scientific cabal has been hiding from all for so long.

   Tesla was no fool. Nor was it stone age thinking, to produce the results that he was able to produce.

Never said Tesla was a fool. But he was still stuck in the times and in those days where everything was being thrown around, he himself did not agree with their present stance of science and the direction it was taking.

   The process of "polarization" of the materials involved leads to the the ability to produce the wanted results, OU.

You can call it polarization but in EE this means nothing but a fly by night construct laced with field talk. The actual process should be simply known as Nucleic Alignment because that is the only part of the atom that can "shift" its latent orientation to a new vector.

Its very simple. Let's say you are an Army Commander and you have 1000 soldiers in front of you. They all know that when you raise your hand, they all must raise their hands and when you lower your hand, they all must lower theirs as well. The problem is they are all looking in different directions so not all of them can see you and while some try to raise their heads a little higher so they can see you, they wind up blocking the view of others behind them. So when the Commander raises his hand, only a small percentage of the soldiers raise theirs but its always enough to create the action/reaction. Now let's say all soldiers are ordered to look in a forward direction and stand one behind the other. The Commander raises his hand. The first soldier sees the commander and raises his hand. The second soldier sees the first soldier raising his hand and does the same and this goes on down the line. So the hand raising is conveyed from one to the next until all hands are up. There was no megaphone (field) required to tell the soldiers when to raise their hands. The same goes for electricity. It is conveyed, not traveled. When you connect a power source, you connect it the the ends of a coil. When a magnet passes a coil, only the closest parts of the coil see the magnet and convey that approach to the rest of the coil.

   Same thing with what we call Sunlight, which does not come from the Sun, at all, as we are still being taught to this day.
   There is a reason for the stone age misconceptions. And it's not what we are being told.
   As Sun light is not coming from the Sun,  and is produced here on Earth on the side facing a light source, our Sun.
There is no traveling of the light to get here from the Sun. Light does not travel, it polarizes, instead. Nothing is traveling, at the speed of light. No electrons, no photons nothing is traveling. Light speed and the manufacture of light is a result of polarization of the photons, instead, without any "traveling" involved.

Light from the sun is a way deeper subject that I do not want to get into here.

   My two cents...

Good two cents man. I'll take a dollars worth any day.

The basic idea is to say if the Keshe device is real, the actual cause and effect that they are purporting as plasma/ether effect is not real. I can accept the working part but not the reason for working part. I am sure Keshe, in a few years will come around to SC as the base of function which it is in all our electrical and chemical and physics effects. We cause a pulse, we measure a response three feet away. We think a field caused the pickup to respond but the pickup responded on its own because those atoms have the response attribute built into them from the start. If you look at the Periodical Table of Elements (PTE) and take some time to understand my Part 1 and 2 on Spin Conveyance, you will never look at the PTE in the same light anymore. You will understand that the atomic attributes include all the abilities to produce action at a distance without stories of fancy and mystical fields. I know, what I am trying to explain to you guys is like asking sharks to stop eating meat, it will not be easy.

Just know that when someone says "I measured the field" know that there will always be some type of conductive atoms involved that are simply responding to the presence of the source of the field and not the field itself which does not exist. It's only an illusion that has been ingrained in our normal acceptance on how things happen and it is not an easy thing to work against or see through the illusion to the actual cause and effect.

All Keshe has is a plasma/ether story to accompany his device because he is basing his own observations on something he truly does not understand but regardless, if it works, it works. This, no one could deny once it is proven for absolute fact which I would welcome with open arms. The idea of making a copper coil act like a magnet with the added bonus that the copper can produce an output would be a great advance indeed. The method of conditioning, the black soot created provides isolation between inner and outer coils making their tightly wound individual layers isolated and conductive and when heated the copper atoms are now helped to produce Nucleic Alignment, all of these are logical to his process but the base idea Plasma/Ether is a freebie that technology does not need to hide behind for 100 more years. If Keshe is real, it will help support Spin Conveyance Theory because the Standard Model cannot explain it with fields and electrons.

wattsup