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[conradelektro]

@MeGaFarr and all flywheel lovers:

Look at these flywheel energy storage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel_energy_storage and you will understand better, what can be done with a fly wheel.

Energy storage efficiency: Flywheel energy storage systems using mechanical bearings can lose 20% to 50% of their energy in two hours. Much of the friction responsible for this energy loss results from the flywheel changing orientation due to the rotation of the earth (an effect similar to that shown by a Foucault pendulum). This change in orientation is resisted by the gyroscopic forces exerted by the flywheel's angular momentum, thus exerting a force against the mechanical bearings. This force increases friction. This can be avoided by aligning the flywheel's axis of rotation parallel to that of the earth's axis of rotation.
Conversely, flywheels with magnetic bearings and high vacuum can maintain 97% mechanical efficiency, and 85% round trip efficiency.

Remark: energy storage efficiency does not take into account the losses in the electric motor (about 60% to 80% efficiency) and the losses in the electric generator (also 60% to 80% efficiency).

One can put energy in a fly wheel by spinning it up e.g. with an electric motor. This takes time T1 and energy E1.

Then one can take out energy from a fly wheel by driving e.g. an electric generator, lets say we take out energy E2 for time T2.

Without losses we get T1 x E1 = T2 X E2.

But because we have losses (friction, losses in the electric motor, losses in the electric generator) we get T1 x E1 > T2 X E2 (less can come out as one has put in).

It is true that it takes little energy to keep the fly wheel running at a constant speed once it has reached that speed. But this is also a loss, because this "maintaining energy" can not be recovered.

In simple words: in the ideal case as much energy as is stored in the fly wheel can be recuperated. In the real case much less can be recuperated (because of losses).

I think that the mental error the fly wheel lovers are doing is the following:

Because it takes little energy to maintain the speed of a fly wheel (with no load on the fly wheel) they think, that this remains the case once a load is put on the fly wheel.

Greetings, Conrad

[Dog-One]

I think that the mental error the fly wheel lovers are doing is the following:

So far, I don't see that Frank has any intention of taking energy back out.  He just likes spinning wheels.  ah hum.   

[memoryman]

MeGaFaRR, your flywheels (number and size/mass don't matter) start with zero energy (stopped).
They get energy by being rotated. They don't GAIN energy anywhere, they don't create energy, they don't multiply energy. Why do you think that they have more energy coming out than was input? Where would that happen?

[CANGAS]

kinetic energy is calculated by k.e.=m x V^2. Where did that energy come from?

Kinetic energy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kinetic energy

Ek = ½mv2

In physics, the kinetic energy of an object is the energy that it possesses due to its motion.[1] It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. The same amount of work is done by the body in decelerating from its current speed to a state of rest.

In classical mechanics, the kinetic energy of a non-rotating object of mass m traveling at a speed v is \begin{smallmatrix} \frac{1}{2}mv^2 \end{smallmatrix} .

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[memoryman]

CANGAS, the question was addressed to MeGaFaRR. I wanted HIM to answer.