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HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water

Started by Panos25, February 24, 2016, 10:25:55 AM

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kolbacict

Can our respected Wesley be able to answer how this works?  I really don't understand.
He knows everything, explained my most tricky questions.  :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor
Quotethe ratio of conductivity to permittivity means that self discharge time is circa 180μs,
The spark gap cannot operate at this speed (frequency).
Or this drawing, someone's joke?

lancaIV

" .... self discharge ...." : related (search machine) sonolumniscence
#123: to somebody " his balls" a published THz- spectrum heater/cooler by Dr.Helmut Reichelt et al. as " (no) power stick",date : 1982 ,so new ,only +- 40 years young !  ::)

stivep

Quote from: kolbacict on April 21, 2021, 04:48:42 AM
Can our respected Wesley be able to answer how this works?  I really don't understand.
He knows everything, explained my most tricky questions.  :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitorThe spark gap cannot operate at this speed (frequency).
Or this drawing, someone's joke?

Wikipedia:
Quote(for totally pure water, only thermally ionized, at 25 °C (77 °F) the ratio of conductivity to permittivity means that self discharge time is circa 180μs,
faster with higher temperatures or dissolved impurities)
usually cannot be made to store enough residual electrical energy to cause serious bodily injury.

Our modern world  still at some point uses  lies.
The reason  we think about some  Russians as lair's is  that the sophistication of these lies 
is likely not at the level  or in  the brackets of our Western World average perception "bandwidth."

By that:
Wikipedia is not Russian  and can't  lie, Wikipedia can only be incorrect  but not  for long,.


Yes 
no generator can operate  in the water  or based on  water  capacitors  and High Frequency

QuoteIf the current flowing in the capacitor exceeds the thermal rating of the pathway for a time period of
sufficient duration such that the temperature rise causes a catastrophic failure of the insulation, then the cap blows.
https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-calculate-the-max-frequency-a-capacitor-could-withstand-before-it-blows
So it is thermal withstanding factor at W/area in mm that  makes it fail and the higher temperature the  higher is heat/per mm to the 3dth .( cubic)
Quotewater capacitors do not require oil. (in many older designs of capacitors it can be toxic)
QuoteCapacitance can be increased by the addition of electrolytes and minerals to the water, but this increases
the self leakage, and cannot be done beyond its saturation point.[6]


QuoteWater has been shown not to be a very reliable substance to store electric charge long term, so more reliable materials are used
for capacitors in industrial applications.[3]
However water has the advantage of being self healing after a breakdown, and if the water is steadily circulated through
a de-ionizing resin and filters, then the loss resistance and dielectric behavior can be stabilized.
Thus, in certain unusual situations, such as the generation of extremely high voltage but very short pulses,
a water capacitor may be a practical solution – such as in an experimental Xray pulser.[4]
_________________________________

Phenomena mentioned by me  in THz range are related not to a charge but to a electromagnetic wave that needs
to be  received and than rectified  to become FE energy used by  us.
And that is what I was talking about  in my few post  above  starting from interaction of  Light  of the sun and  response of water
in THz range.


Wesley

stivep

 That is why in known load and known voltage the dielectric breakdown  of  a material can be calculated and no water is needed.
  like here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnwhVggZuh8
5C30.50 - Marx Generator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fvpEb2QO8s
New Marx Generator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep3D_LC2UzU
Cockcroft-Walton Multiplier

Wesley

kolbacict

Well, I know how the Marx generator works. The question was not about that.
The question was, how can this work in water?!
The speed of operation of spark gaps should be an order of magnitude higher than the self-discharge time of the water capacitor.

p.s.    sorry, didn't notice it.
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg556971/#msg556971
But even if it is used on rare occasions,
QuoteHowever water has the advantage of being self healing after a breakdown, and if the water is steadily circulated through
a de-ionizing resin and filters, then the loss resistance and dielectric behavior can be stabilized.
Thus, in certain unusual situations, such as the generation of extremely high voltage but very short pulses,
a water capacitor may be a practical solution – such as in an experimental Xray pulser.[4]
How do spark gaps manage to operate before water self-discharge?