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Simple questions

Started by Overunutty, March 14, 2016, 12:40:17 PM

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Overunutty

Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 22, 2016, 08:51:13 PM
I know what you asked and, you have said it again.  IF  I could store...whatever...fill in the blank....

That IF is your overunity.  That is what I am saying.  If you do not understand this, or I am not being clear, just let me know.

IF I had a battery that put out more energy than was put in...would that be overunity?  That IF is very important and a false premise.

You are talking about flywheels which are, as are batteries, energy storage devices...nothing more.

IF I put three apples into a box and then could remove 4 apples, would this be O.U?  See what I mean?

Of course it would be but it can't be done so your premise is a false one.

I hope I am making some sense here.

Bill
I think what you are saying is you have no idea how I can mechanilly put in "whatever, you fill in the blank" to a set of flywheels in a way that you have any understanding about, so therefore it is as you say "it's impossible"? When I measure the input watts required in this machine in one minute, it is less than the stored joules I've accumulated in one minute. So therefore no more if's, is this overunity?

Overunutty

I understand how to read a watt meter and I can easily calculate joules with http://www.botlanta.org/converters/dale-calc/flywheel.html
I can clearly see that I have more energy stored than required to get it stored

Pirate88179

Quote from: Overunutty on March 22, 2016, 09:20:17 PM
I think what you are saying is you have no idea how I can mechanilly put in "whatever, you fill in the blank" to a set of flywheels in a way that you have any understanding about, so therefore it is as you say "it's impossible"? When I measure the input watts required in this machine in one minute, it is less than the stored joules I've accumulated in one minute. So therefore no more if's, is this overunity?

I do have understanding about this and...it goes like this....

A flywheel stores energy MINUS losses due to friction, etc.  So you can not say that:  I put in 10 units of energy in my flywheel but it only took me 1 unit to do.  If it only took you one unit to do, then you have 1 unit of energy, minus losses, in your flywheel.

That is it...end of story.  Reread my apple example.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

EMJunkie

Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 22, 2016, 08:51:13 PM
I know what you asked and, you have said it again.  IF  I could store...whatever...fill in the blank....

That IF is your overunity.  That is what I am saying.  If you do not understand this, or I am not being clear, just let me know.

IF I had a battery that put out more energy than was put in...would that be overunity?  That IF is very important and a false premise.

You are talking about flywheels which are, as are batteries, energy storage devices...nothing more.

IF I put three apples into a box and then could remove 4 apples, would this be O.U?  See what I mean?

Of course it would be but it can't be done so your premise is a false one.

I hope I am making some sense here.

Bill




Bill also believes its not possible to eat a Cheese Burger with one hand!!!

He hasnt figured out the Math for it yet however...

Σ4fingers = 0 + 1Thumb = log(1 * Cheese Burger)2

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Pirate88179

Quote from: EMJunkie on March 22, 2016, 09:25:55 PM



Bill also believes its not possible to eat a Cheese Burger with one hand!!!

He hasnt figured out the Math for it yet however...

Σ4fingers = 0 + 1Thumb = log(1 * Cheese Burger)2

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Chris:

Were your calculations based upon cheddar or Swiss cheese?  Everyone knows that cheddar would require 4 more fingers
from the other hand.  It is mathematical errors and mistakes like this that keep the napkin and dry cleaning folks in business.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen