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well engineered motion into electricity device

Started by markdansie, April 22, 2016, 11:27:41 PM

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gravityblock

Quote from: MileHigh on April 23, 2016, 04:27:53 AM
Well, I suppose that I can play Darth Vader too just for the psychotic MIB agent role playing fun of it.

Pasting my posting on Revolution Green here:

It is interesting but don't count your chickens yet.  It doesn't make sense to put one on a truck because the energy it would harvest would come from the diesel fuel you put into the truck.


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Tell that to the dead trout that adopted a swaying movement in the vortex street and was drawn upstream while it was tethered on a line to an object flowing in water.  Put this concept on a truck, and the truck could be propelled forward by the vortices created by a vortex structure as it encounters an increase in air resistance until the velocity is reached at which synchronicity of the system is possible.  The energy it harvests to further propel the truck comes from the creation of vortices as it moves past the air, and not from the diesel fuel put into the truck.  The  energy to propel the trout upstream didn't come from the dead trout itself.  Same thing should be for the truck example.  Only a small amount of energy is required for huge accelerations and to maintain a uniform motion or constant velocity.  This is almost a self-sustaining system.  This phenomenon naturally occurs throughout nature and doesn't break any laws of physics.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

conradelektro

Quote from: gravityblock on April 25, 2016, 09:55:52 PM
Vortex bladeless turbines wobble to generate energy.  The Vortex bladeless turbine supposedly takes advantage of the wind's swirling motion, which generates energy from the repeating pattern of vortices, known as the Kármán vortex street, and are generated as the air separates to pass by a blunt body, such as the Vortex structure itself (see image below).  Incorporate the WITT gear into the bladeless vortex turbine, or into other similar devices.

http://www.vortexbladeless.com/index.php the web site of Vortex Bladeless

May be the blade-less Vortex tube inventors can come up with a special alternator a bit less mechanically involved than the WITT gear.

http://www.vortexbladeless.com/blog.php
From this web page:
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In the last months we have been optimizing Vortex in many different ways:


1.- The tuning system to change the natural frequency of oscillation through magnet repulsion.
2.- We optimized the generation system through different alternator designs... now we have a good one that we can't share it because the IP process.
3.- We changed a bit the geometry to harvest as much energy as possible.
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It looks like the blade-less Vortex inventors need more time to optimise the design of the tube and especially the design of the alternator. Two different skills, one is material science for the tube and the second is electrical engineering for the alternator, are required. Not an easy task.

It is a great idea and could be in the end a wind generator with a reasonable cost. A three meter high tube with an output of 100 Watt would be a great device charging a big 12 V battery (200 Ah) every 24 hours if there is some wind. Enough for a trailer home or a cabin in the wilderness with a few LED lamps, portable (satellite) phone charging and a tablet PC.

Greetings, Conrad

gravityblock

Quote from: MileHigh on April 23, 2016, 04:27:53 AM
Imagine a building on the seashore.  You have solar panels on the roof and a WITT wave power installation on the shore.  Which system gives you more bang for your buck?  Obviously this is an over simplified example but my nose is leading me towards the solar panel installation on the roof.  For example, the solar panel installation, just the installation costs, might be 1/100th the cost of the wave power installation if not more than that.  No moving parts vs. these big gyrating floats and huge gears and clutches and power couplings to generators, and on and on.  That sounds like very low maintenance vs. high maintenance and relatively low cost to relatively high cost to me (No matter what they are claiming about the low maintenance.)

There's no need for big gyrating floats.  An array of Vivace converters can be placed on the floor of rivers and oceans.  Below is an artist's illustration, by Omar Jamil, depicting an array of VIVACE converters on the ocean floor.  Vortex power is a form of hydro power which generates energy by placing obstacles in rivers/oceans in order to cause the formation of vortices which can then be tapped to a usable form of energy such as electricity. This method is pioneered by a team at the University of Michigan who call the technology VIVACE which stands for Vortex Induced Vibrations Aquatic Clean Energy (patent pending through the University of Michigan).  The company Vortex Hydro Power has been created to commercialize the technology. This technology has 10–20 years life span which meets life cycle cost targets.  The vortex hydro can generate power 24/7, unlike solar.  Integrate WITT into the Vivace converters.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

lancaIV


.......[/size]It is a great idea and could be in the end a wind generator with a reasonable cost. A three meter high tube with an output of 100 Watt would be a great device charging a big 12 V battery (200 Ah) every 24 hours if there is some wind. Enough for a trailer home or a cabin in the wilderness with a few LED lamps, portable (satellite) phone charging and a tablet PC.[/size]Greetings, Conrad

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LED: http://www.osmatech.net/led.html
fridge: Kenmore 30 W  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHN6iTMtvM  alternatively: http://mtbest.net/chest_fridge.html
power saving idea functional : ?
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A


warmwater: induction heater/collector


http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20140331&CC=CH&NR=707010A2&KC=A2
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=CH&NR=707010A2&KC=A2&FT=D&ND=3&date=20140331&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
page 7/16 LESAR description: ...... input 4,7W output 9,4W


https://es-la.facebook.com/manueljose.baqueromenendez
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP2144298A2.pdf
real world demonstration ?
http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=660
In a house of 100 m / 2, fully electrified (hot water, heating, appliances, lighting, air conditioning, etc..) Eight 240 W photovoltaic panels, each producing 1296 Kw., A month, is enough energy to meet the needs of the house described in the example.
The Unit with all its elements, occupies an area of one meter square.

MileHigh

Quote from: gravityblock on April 26, 2016, 05:18:50 AM
There's no need for big gyrating floats.  An array of Vivace converters can be placed on the floor of rivers and oceans.  Below is an artist's illustration, by Omar Jamil, depicting an array of VIVACE converters on the ocean floor.  Vortex power is a form of hydro power which generates energy by placing obstacles in rivers/oceans in order to cause the formation of vortices which can then be tapped to a usable form of energy such as electricity. This method is pioneered by a team at the University of Michigan who call the technology VIVACE which stands for Vortex Induced Vibrations Aquatic Clean Energy (patent pending through the University of Michigan).  The company Vortex Hydro Power has been created to commercialize the technology. This technology has 10–20 years life span which meets life cycle cost targets.  The vortex hydro can generate power 24/7, unlike solar.  Integrate WITT into the Vivace converters.

Gravock

Are you sure about this?  Why don't you try doing some due diligence research and see what results you get.