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MH's ideal coil and voltage question

Started by tinman, May 08, 2016, 04:42:41 AM

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Can a voltage exist across an ideal inductor that has a steady DC current flowing through it

yes it can
5 (25%)
no it cannot
11 (55%)
I have no idea
4 (20%)

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Magneticitist

Quote from: MileHigh on May 11, 2016, 02:18:02 PM
Ohm's Law applies to resistors, it does not apply to inductors or capacitors.  I am keeping it simple and with that in mind forget about Ohm's Law, we are discussing an inductor.

So you are correct, for this discussion we can throw out Ohm's Law.

I believe the twin brother to the issue of Ohms law being a factor or not, is the possibility
that an absolute 0 resistance removes the characteristics of an inductor/capacitor/conductor/resistor altogether so they might as well all be considered ideal conductors at 0 resistance. Does that sound like insane mumbo jumbo cause by freaking golly it makes a degree of sense to me.

MileHigh

It's mostly mumbo jumbo talk.

But here is the clue:  Even if "the resistance is zero," in other words there is no resistance in the circuit, it does not necessarily mean that something isn't impeding the current flow.

Magneticitist

Quote from: MileHigh on May 11, 2016, 03:47:33 PM
It's mostly mumbo jumbo talk.

But here is the clue:  Even if "the resistance is zero," in other words there is no resistance in the circuit, it does not necessarily mean that something isn't impeding the current flow.

:D :D :D

verpies

Quote from: Magneticitist on May 11, 2016, 03:37:19 PM
...an absolute 0 resistance removes the characteristics of an inductor/capacitor/conductor/resistor altogether so they might as well all be considered ideal conductors at 0 resistance.
"Absolute 0 resistance" removes the characteristic of resistance but it does not remove "inductive reactance" of inductors nor "capacitive reactance" of capacitors (despite all three being measured in Ohms).
Impedance = Resistance + Reactance.

Magneticitist

Quote from: verpies on May 11, 2016, 04:36:41 PM
"Absolute 0 resistance" removes the characteristic of resistance but it does not remove "inductive reactance" of inductors nor "capacitive reactance" of capacitors (despite all three being measured in Ohms).
Impedance = Resistance + Reactance.

But can we say for sure that our understanding of those 2 forms of reactance is not derived from
some existing level of resistance? were we in some alternate universe where we never
even had a variable to call R in the first place, can we say all our circuit theory would be exactly
the same using the same math?  and sheesh it's like, definitely ultra confusing, when we have different variables measures in the same unit but they are somehow working entirely independent
from that unit. not trying to be difficult it just this type of thought pattern seems to be expected
when it's almost inherent in the forum name.