MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[minnie]

   tinman, forget about concepts and abstractions- you obviously can't handle them.
   They're no use in the "real world" anyhow.
   Forget about 5 Henry inductors- they're too big.
   Make yourself a Maxwell bridge and have a bit of fun learning what that can do.
          John.

[tinman]

   
   They're no use in the "real world" anyhow.
   Forget about 5 Henry inductors- they're too big.
   Make yourself a Maxwell bridge and have a bit of fun learning what that can do.
          John.

tinman, forget about concepts and abstractions- you obviously can't handle them.

Dont give me that crap John,it's not me here thats talking double dutch.

Concepts and abstractions dont cut it,and if i have to be precise ,then so dose everyone else.

Perhaps take some time,and look up the definition of precision.

Keep on reading,and see who is making no sense in this thread.
You continue on with your wollowing's,and yet know no better yourself.


Brad

[tinman]

Well, in this posting I am going to assume that you are not properly conceptualizing what an ideal voltage source does when you pump power into it.

And here we go--MHs paradox that is needed so as he thinks he is not wrong in his statement-but falls apart with another of his own statement's.

So now we have an ideal voltage !source!,that has power pumped into it(a missing component of MHs 2 component circuit),even though it cannot store it
So the ideal voltage source is now just some part that the incoming power passes through(as it cannot store it),and just flows straight into the inductor .

A capacitor(a voltage source)that has a voltage across it,contains stored energy.
A battery that has a voltage across it ,contains stored energy.
A sponge that absorb's water,contains that water.

I cracked a joke because Verpies was just asking a silly question for fun.  Any power that is pumped into an ideal voltage source doesn't go anywhere.  It's simply gone, you can forget about it.  The ideal voltage source is still the same ideal voltage source, nothing has changed.

And this is the best yet.Any power that is pumped into an ideal voltage source doesn't go anywhere.  It's simply gone
You have excelled your self there MH.You have just defied the laws of physics,and now it has to be rewritten. Energy can be transformed from one form to another-and also be destroyed by MHs voltage source
A recap on what you said above in the previous paragraph-->So now we have an ideal voltage !source!,that has power pumped into it
Then in the next paragraph-->Any power that is pumped into an ideal voltage source doesn't go anywhere
So this power that is feeding the voltage source dose not make it to the inductor???,as you have stated it dose not go anywhere--just disappears.
I dont even have to go to any other of your post to put all this together--you have it all in one post MH

Yeah, it contains an infinite amount of energy.  So where does that get you?  If a coil pumps more energy into a "container" that stores an infinite amount of energy then voila!, you still have a container filled with an infinite amount of energy.

So now your ideal voltage source dose contain energy?,or is this just the supply of energy that go's into the voltage source that just disappears?.

Or, if you want to be "more sophisticated" you can forget about the container altogether and just call it an ideal voltage source.
So it's time to stop spinning your wheels and stop the trash talk.

Have a good look at your own statements above MH,and then ask your self--who is talking trash.
You are so lost it's not funny anymore,and your buddy minnie is not that far behind you.

Brad

[tinman]

This is a ridiculous discussion and you are just wasting time.

Here is the answer to your question:  I take a paper napkin and a pen, and I mark a few lines on the napkin, and there is your ideal voltage source and there is no stored energy in sight.  The _idea_ that it can supply energy is in your mind only, and that's all that counts.

Another idiotic statement.
Lets see your paper napkin induce a current into an inductor--see how stupid that sounds MH.

You asked a specific question base around two components.
We know we can get very very close to an ideal inductor in the real world,and !you! have stated many times that we can build an ideal voltage source(which of course we cannot). And now we are going into the land of MHs make believe,by way of lines on a paper napkin to solve MHs question.

And you wonder why i say you are the laughing stock of the forum.
Well we only have to look at the last few of your posts to see why.

Im not interested in following you up the garden path of MH wonder land,where reality give way to paper napkins.


Brad

[tinman]

I read every word. How was that post helpful to anyone?

I encourage you to avoid the so-called rhetorical questions, and instead try to help Brad understand why his thinking on this affair is a little off the tracks

.

My thinking is off track???

It is not me that thinks this ideal voltage source can absorb energy but not contain it.
Did you guys really think about this statement,and how it go's with other agreed upon definitions that have been made about the ideal voltage source?.
Sometime's you EE guys make no sense at all,and it's no wonder people get confused.

We have all agreed that an ideal voltage source dose not dissipate any power,as it's ideal.
If the ideal voltage source can absorb power,but cannot dissipate power-->where is this absorbed power if it is not contained within the ideal voltage source?.
Is it just like MH said,and it just vanishes without a trace--it's just gone--the energy is destroyed?

Do you see how ridiculous this sound's,and how far away from the fundamentals of science this is.
Here you are Poynt,saying that i should agree with what is being presented by the EE guy's here,but there is no way in hell i am going to settle on anything when statements such as above are being asked to be accepted,as statements such as MHs contradict them selves,and the others make no sense at all.

So my question remains--what happens to the stored energy (during the 0 volt part of the cycle),when the negative 3 volt part of the cycle start's?
1-MHs theory-->it just disappears--energy is destroyed.
2-it is stored in the ideal voltage source?
3-it is absorbed by the ideal voltage source that cannot dissipate power=stored in the ideal voltage source.


Unlike MHs mockery of this thread,i wish to solve this question correctly. But while there are nonsensical comments like-energy can be absorbed but not stored in a device that cannot dissipate that absorbed energy,then i will simply not be agreeing to anything.
So maybe you can try and make sense of that ,and let me know what it is,as i know of no other device that can have a voltage across it,but not have stored energy within it. And this rubbish about energy just disappearing by MH,is nothing but a joke.

So to put it simple,how can a component that absorbs energy,but cant dissipate energy,not store that energy?.


Brad