MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[picowatt]

...as i am no longer bound by restrictions.

Brad

Tinman,

Any chance this means a return to RT measurements and self runner attempts?

PW

[MileHigh]

No,MH wrongly accused myself and others that we do not know the definition of an ideal voltage source. He clearly stated that we say that the voltage cannot change with time-and that is crap. 300 posts ago,i posted my understanding of an ideal voltage ,and it is correct,and i will not have MH bullshitting about me being wrong-full stop.
The voltage can only change if determind to do so by the user-fact.
So for MH to say i am wrong,is just bullshit-plane and simple.

Brad, the fact that you will never admit that you are wrong is so annoying sometimes that I am going to fully call your bluff.  You caused untold problems and wasted so much time over whether or not an ideal voltage source can vary in time among other things that I am going to repost post #95 here verbatim to call your bluff and expose your nonsense.

http://overunity.com/16589/mhs-ideal-coil-and-voltage-question/msg483584/#msg483584

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Here is the harder version of the question and the answer:



The question is what happens starting at t = 0

The answer:

The current through the ideal coil starts from zero at time t = 0 and then increases with this formula:  i = 1.33*t^3.

Time..........Voltage.........Current
0...............0.................0
1...............20...............1.33
5...............500.............166.67
10.............2000............1333.33
20.............8000............10666.67
50.............50000..........166666.7

Brad, you need to try to get up the learning curve such that you get to the point where you come back and acknowledge the answer given above is correct.

You have an ideal voltage source and an ideal coil of 5 Henrys.  At time t=0 seconds the coil connects to the ideal voltage source.  The voltage source waveform is 20*t^2.  So as the time t increases, the voltage increases proportional to the square of the time.

If the voltage increases,then it is not an ideal voltage,as an ideal voltage dose not change in time.
Your original question clearly states an ideal voltage of 4 volts for 3 seconds.

The rest of your answer is not related to the original question,as the voltage is not 4 volts for 3 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_source
An ideal voltage source is a two-terminal device that maintains a fixed voltage drop across its terminals. It is often used as a mathematical abstraction that simplifies the analysis of real electric circuits.

Brad
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The text highlighted in bold is you being dead wrong about an ideal voltage source varying in time and just one of countless examples of you causing problems on the thread.

I don't care if your head bloody well explodes.  Why can't you just be a man and say that you were wrong?  You need to adjust your behaviour going forward.  You look like a clown to everybody when you refuse to ever admit that you are wrong.

MileHigh

[tinman]

Brad, the fact that you will never admit that you are wrong is so annoying sometimes that I am going to fully call your bluff.  You caused untold problems and wasted so much time over whether or not an ideal voltage source can vary in time among other things that I am going to repost post #95 here verbatim to call your bluff and expose your nonsense.

http://overunity.com/16589/mhs-ideal-coil-and-voltage-question/msg483584/#msg483584

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If the voltage increases,then it is not an ideal voltage,as an ideal voltage dose not change in time.
Your original question clearly states an ideal voltage of 4 volts for 3 seconds.

The rest of your answer is not related to the original question,as the voltage is not 4 volts for 3 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_source
An ideal voltage source is a two-terminal device that maintains a fixed voltage drop across its terminals. It is often used as a mathematical abstraction that simplifies the analysis of real electric circuits.

Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The text highlighted in bold is you being dead wrong about an ideal voltage source varying in time and just one of countless examples of you causing problems on the thread.

I don't care if your head bloody well explodes.  Why can't you just be a man and say that you were wrong?  You need to adjust your behaviour going forward.  You look like a clown to everybody when you refuse to ever admit that you are wrong.

MileHigh

My answer is correct MH,no matter how you try and twist things around.
You just do not listen,or you try so hard to re arrange peoples statements to try and make them look wrong. You failed in your last attempt when you posted my !quote's! referring to an ideal voltage source,as they clearly stated a selected value.
I will say it once again--an ideal voltages value dose not change over time,and that time is the value that the user selects. When the user changes that value,then a new time period has started for the newly selected value.

You are becoming pathetic MH,and you need a new hobby.


Brad

[MileHigh]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR HEAD?

READ THIS:  If the voltage increases,then it is not an ideal voltage,as an ideal voltage dose not change in time.

I am not pathetic, but you are beyond pathetic and you should get your head examined.

No,MH wrongly accused myself and others that we do not know the definition of an ideal voltage source. He clearly stated that we say that the voltage cannot change with time-and that is crap.

No, it's not crap, it's absolutely true that you stated that an an ideal voltage source cannot change in time.  You are a low-life liar but it is beyond ridiculous because the proof is right on the screen in front of your face, what the hell is wrong with you?  I don't know how you manage to function sometimes.  You are not to be trusted at all because you are a compulsive liar and a compulsive denier that you can ever be wrong - even when the evidence is right in front of your face and everybody else can see it too.

You are beyond unbelievable.  It's sick seeing your behaviour.

[tinman]

Tinman,

Any chance this means a return to RT measurements and self runner attempts?

PW

My challenge has been put to MH,and if that challenge is answered,then yes,we can continue on where we left off.

MH has said all to often that my knowledge of inductors and PMs are very limited,and so now is the time to see who has the greater understanding of the two mixed together.
If MH accepts my challenge,then a new thread devoted to this challenge,the parameters of the challenge,and our progress throughout the build process,will be posted on that thread.

If MH thinks im bluffing,then i ask him to call my bluff,and let the process begin.
Once we have both finished,and are happy with our build's,we then both send our devices to Poynt(if he is ok with this) for confirmation of P/in-P/out measurements taken.

If Mh refuses my challenge,then he can also stop with the !!001!! basic crap toward me,as his words mean nothing when it comes to what actually can be achieved with inductors and PMs.

No one was ever able to answer one simple question i asked about a simple test carried out by many here(including TK),as to why the motor would speed up,gain torque,and reduce power consumption ,when a load was drawn from the stator coil from one half of the AC cycle.
Luc was the only one that came close to achieving this goal alone.


Brad