MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[MileHigh]

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Your definition of an ideal torque,was poor at best,and reflects against your very limited mechanical abilities. There dose not have to be any angular momentum in order for there to be a torque applied to an object or mass.

As i said before,torque dose not only apply to things in motion.
You failed at giving an accurate example of an ideal torque.

No, in fact my definition of an ideal torque was 100% correct and yours was wrong.  You can't say that my mechanical abilities are "very limited," that's just nonsensical spinning and you have nothing to backup that false claim.

More importantly, I never said that there had to be angular momentum for there to be torque applied to an object.  You are falsely trying to put words into my mouth.

Likewise, I never stated that torque only applies to things in motion.  One more time, you are falsely trying to put words into my mouth.

Again, my example for an ideal torque was 100% accurate.

An LC circuit will not resonate without an external force acting upon it--this is fact.

That is complete and utter nonsense.  If you connect a charged capacitor to an inductor the LC circuit will resonate and ring down specifically because it is an LC resonator.

At this point, I hope and pray that you understand what resonance is and what an ideal torque is.

All of your attempts to be dismissive and reject concepts like an ideal voltage or current source, or an ideal force or velocity source are just you showing your severe limitations and the fact that you don't want to work to achieve an understanding of what these things are.  I put in time and effort in an attempt to get you up the learning curve with respect to this stuff and I would hope that you can put in the effort to get to a satisfactory level of understanding for yourself.

Like it or not, you were blown out of the water, and it was for your own good.  It was a Great Marianas Turkey Shoot and I was the shooter.

If you want to be fake and pretentious and pretend you are teaching me, then look at this:

A tuning fork is not a system,it is a single component.
Once again,a wine glass is a single component--not a system.
Once again,the bell alone is not a system,and will not resonate by it self.

Each one of the mechanical systems above is a mechanical LC resonator with two components - a mass and a spring.  The reason you are saying what you say is because you don't understand how to model a physical system with an analogous electrical circuit.  I tried to explain that to you with the wine glass and put in considerable effort and I am trying to explain that to you again.  If you don't get it and refuse to consider it and do some research on your own because you think you know better then that is your loss, and you will be lost the next time you encounter a similar situation.

I am giving you the real deal and I know what I am talking about.  Don't feign that you are trying to teach me and then talk foolishness, it only makes you look more foolish.

I am done with this and if you don't get it, then you don't get it and you remain lost.

MileHigh

[minnie]

  Is tinman on a winning streak at the moment?
         John.

[hoptoad]

An LC circuit will not resonate without an external force acting upon it--this is fact.

That is complete and utter nonsense.  If you connect a charged capacitor to an inductor the LC circuit will resonate and ring down specifically because it is an LC resonator.

You had to use an external voltage and current source to charge the capacitor in the first place.
Try connecting an uncharged capacitor to an inductor. Will it start to resonate without first having applied an external force to the circuit or one component of the circuit (the capacitor)?

[Pirate88179]

  Is tinman on a winning streak at the moment?
         John.

If I were you John, I would be looking for a very large shovel, as evidenced by your photo.

Bill

[MileHigh]

That is complete and utter nonsense.  If you connect a charged capacitor to an inductor the LC circuit will resonate and ring down specifically because it is an LC resonator.

You had to use an external voltage and current source to charge the capacitor in the first place.
Try connecting an uncharged capacitor to an inductor. Will it start to resonate without first having applied an external force to the circuit or one component of the circuit (the capacitor)?

No of course it will not start to resonate.  Charging the capacitor is equivalent to striking a tuning fork to get it to resonate.

Brad is always focused on "resonance" being an external driving force at the resonant frequency getting the resonator to resonate.  You don't need an external driving force, all that you need to do is put a one-shot injection of energy into the mechanical or electrical resonator to get it to resonate and manifest resonance.  That will be a demonstration of the true core meaning of resonance.