simple OU proof

[dieter]

various claims exist about some methods, hho, joe cell, bubblers etc. with electrolysis efficiency above 100%, however, let us for now only assume that we can split water and recombine the gasses with zero% loss, as the basis of the following idea / law of energy conservation violation:

down in the vally we split the water into h2 and o. This gas mix is lighter than air. We can use it to transport a load up on the mountain, like eg. with a zeppelin, or simply let it flow up trough a pipe. On the mountain top we use the gas as energy source, resulting in recombined h2o.

This water we let flow down trough a pipe, driving a waterwheel somewhere and finally arriving again down in the valley.

I don't know about you, but to me this looks like proof for free energy.

[Pirate88179]

various claims exist about some methods, hho, joe cell, bubblers etc. with electrolysis efficiency above 100%, however, let us for now only assume that we can split water and recombine the gasses with zero% loss, as the basis of the following idea / law of energy conservation violation:

down in the vally we split the water into h2 and o. This gas mix is lighter than air. We can use it to transport a load up on the mountain, like eg. with a zeppelin, or simply let it flow up trough a pipe. On the mountain top we use the gas as energy source, resulting in recombined h2o.

This water we let flow down trough a pipe, driving a waterwheel somewhere and finally arriving again down in the valley.

I don't know about you, but to me this looks like proof for free energy.

That is one of the most interesting ideas I have ever read on here.  Simple, yet brilliant!

This replaces the evaporation part (solar power) of what happens to run a water wheel from a river. 

What about this...use the energy pulled from that water turbine/wheel to split the water via a generator?  The gas burning on top of the hill produces electricity, and the water running back down the hill produces electricity, so now the process is indeed free...and maybe even some left over?

I would love to see some real world number calculations on this process...my guess is they would be pretty good.

Excellent idea Sir.

Bill

[Floor]

@Dieter

Yes and generate ecectricity as we our selves decend back into
into the valley.

[Dog-One]

I guess what I would like to know with exact numbers is how much electrical energy it would take to split one gallon of H₂O into gas and then how many BTUs I could get back and have my original one gallon of water again.

I suspect what we will find is it takes a tremendous amount of electrical energy by way of electrolysis to turn one gallon of water into gas; that one gallon of water, depending upon how high up we transport it may be able to do a little bit of work on the way down, but it will probably pale in comparison to the amount of work the gases can do recombining back to water--even if we have nearly 100% efficiency in all the conversions.

You could probably improve the outcome slightly by venting the O₂ and just using the H₂ to do the lifting, then use the O₂ from the top of the mountain to combine back to water.  I still don't think you would get much optimization from your idea, especially when you add back the typical losses in such a system.

Your concept is in a way a means to utilize all the waste losses and get something back for your effort.  If done completely perfect, this gives you 100% efficiency which is still break-even.

[Turbo]

Why does it always need to be OU.
It's perfectly possible to drive the electrolysis by solar or wind power and store the hydrogen in a tank.
Which then can be used later to heat your home, or to power your home and even drive your car by making use of a fuel cell.
It all exists why does it always have to be the things that are out of reach ?
Unless you are paying for sunlight and wind this is about as free as it get's.