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Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields

Started by ZL, June 29, 2016, 01:37:07 PM

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ZL

Quote from: telecom on February 18, 2017, 10:17:16 AM
By generating EM waves you mean the way they were generated by Hertz with
a capacitor as  dipole?

EM (electromagnetic) waves can be generated in several different ways. One way is using a dipole antenna which is basically a non-conventional open capacitor. But they can be generated also by monopole antennas, loop antennas, magnetrons, etc. and even by a simple electrostatic dipole if it is mechanically shaken at a high enough frequency.

The discussed FE principle which is based on wave superposition is valid for any type of waves, not only for EM waves. It can be implemented in acoustics in gases, liquids, and solids as well. It can be utilized for surface waves too.

If you are not already proficient in electromagnetics, especially in RF, or in acoustics, there is very little likelihood that you (or anybody else without knowing the basics) can design a practically useful FE generator based on this principle. For laymen it is very difficult to progress in RF and acoustics, because you can not see the waves and how they behave. One must use specialized instruments and have the necessary background knowledge. Waves often behave quite counter intuitively, so this is not as simple as fiddling with mechanical devices, or simple low frequency electronics.

In such case you could chose one of the following options:

1)   Go ahead and learn the necessary background knowledge and become competent to invent and design your own FE generators. It will surely look daunting if you take a look at how much one has to learn, but in small chunks in a year or two one can get up to speed to do something meaningful.
2)   Wait until someone you trust publishes a working design with detailed instruction how to make it. In that case you will not have to really understand how and why it works. If the design is correct and you have built the design without errors, then it should work. In this case you are a technician, and you depend on the designer for knowledge. It is also a big question when (if ever) such detailed design will be published on the internet... You are also a target for hoaxters who will offer fake designs to waste your time, money and hope, and frustrate anybody in this category.
3)   If your aim is only entertainment, and you are happy just visually studying the principle, even if that may not lead to practically useful FE devices, then you can focus on surface waves instead. You still have to learn some basics to know what you are doing, and know what to expect from your devices, but in this field you can get away with much less knowledge than in RF and acoustics. You can also construct relatively low tech and not too expensive models, which let you see what the waves are doing. You can also perform measurements with cheaper equipment.
4)   Conclude that this subject of wave science is too difficult for you, leave it to others, and spend your free time with other more simple activities.

The gist of the message is that if you are serious about this subject, you have to acquire a decent level of background knowledge to achieve anything worthwhile. But if you persevere, the final reward for your studies can get beyond your imagination. The above advices are meant for everybody, not just for you.


telecom

Quote from: ZL on February 19, 2017, 07:43:35 AM
EM (electromagnetic) waves can be generated in several different ways. One way is using a dipole antenna which is basically a non-conventional open capacitor. But they can be generated also by monopole antennas, loop antennas, magnetrons, etc. and even by a simple electrostatic dipole if it is mechanically shaken at a high enough frequency.

The discussed FE principle which is based on wave superposition is valid for any type of waves, not only for EM waves. It can be implemented in acoustics in gases, liquids, and solids as well. It can be utilized for surface waves too.

If you are not already proficient in electromagnetics, especially in RF, or in acoustics, there is very little likelihood that you (or anybody else without knowing the basics) can design a practically useful FE generator based on this principle. For laymen it is very difficult to progress in RF and acoustics, because you can not see the waves and how they behave. One must use specialized instruments and have the necessary background knowledge. Waves often behave quite counter intuitively, so this is not as simple as fiddling with mechanical devices, or simple low frequency electronics.

In such case you could chose one of the following options:

1)   Go ahead and learn the necessary background knowledge and become competent to invent and design your own FE generators. It will surely look daunting if you take a look at how much one has to learn, but in small chunks in a year or two one can get up to speed to do something meaningful.
2)   Wait until someone you trust publishes a working design with detailed instruction how to make it. In that case you will not have to really understand how and why it works. If the design is correct and you have built the design without errors, then it should work. In this case you are a technician, and you depend on the designer for knowledge. It is also a big question when (if ever) such detailed design will be published on the internet... You are also a target for hoaxters who will offer fake designs to waste your time, money and hope, and frustrate anybody in this category.
3)   If your aim is only entertainment, and you are happy just visually studying the principle, even if that may not lead to practically useful FE devices, then you can focus on surface waves instead. You still have to learn some basics to know what you are doing, and know what to expect from your devices, but in this field you can get away with much less knowledge than in RF and acoustics. You can also construct relatively low tech and not too expensive models, which let you see what the waves are doing. You can also perform measurements with cheaper equipment.
4)   Conclude that this subject of wave science is too difficult for you, leave it to others, and spend your free time with other more simple activities.

The gist of the message is that if you are serious about this subject, you have to acquire a decent level of background knowledge to achieve anything worthwhile. But if you persevere, the final reward for your studies can get beyond your imagination. The above advices are meant for everybody, not just for you.
Hi Zoltan, I want to do 1 and 3.
How do you suggest to proceed - which books to read about the waves?
Regards

ZL

Quote from: telecom on February 20, 2017, 12:58:25 PM
Hi Zoltan, I want to do 1 and 3.
How do you suggest to proceed - which books to read about the waves?
Regards

It depends on many factors, like your present level of knowledge of key subjects, mathematics, physics, mechanics etc. and what level of knowledge you want to gain how fast? I have asked these questions in my reply to your email enquiry, but you did not respond yet. Did you receive my email?

As a starter and motivator here is a brilliant introduction into wave science:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DovunOxlY1k

This is a classic video and I highly recommend you (and everybody interested) to download it and keep it in your archives. It is not so much what he teaches that is so excellent (the same can be found in books as well), but rather the way he does that. His love and respect for the science of waves, his enthusiasm, and pedantic style of presentation will hopefully plant the seed of his spirit in your mind. If you water that seed regularly with daily lectures and problem solving exercises, then finally you will end up with an unshakable big tree of knowledge. I have got some more links, but need your feedback first.

To everybody: learning is more fun and easier in groups, where students can help each other. If there are at least 10 people who would be interested in studying any form of wave science we could set up a special forum just for that purpose (not here). I don't promise to personally teach everybody, but I could chime in occasionally and suggest resources and solutions. The primary character of such forum would be "students teach and help other students", or at least motivate each other to make learning fun and not a burdensome chore.

If anybody is interested, drop me a message via the contact form on my site:
https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/contact/

(don't use the PM system of this forum, because a PM that was sent to me here has disappeared)


telecom

Hi Zoltan,
I haven't received your pm.
Will gladly look at the video.
Regards

ZL

Quote from: telecom on February 20, 2017, 04:47:02 PM
Will gladly look at the video.

Alex, I hope you liked the previous video "Similiarities of Wave Behavior".

Here is another nice demonstration:
Ripple Tank Diffraction and Interference of Waves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NoLUrcG7J4

You can use the same applet he used in the demonstration to perform simulation experiments here:
http://falstad.com/ripplejs/

Some more nice applets that you may find useful later on:
http://falstad.com/mathphysics.html

And some more useful videos from the same author on different physics topics:
https://www.youtube.com/user/PhysicsLP/videos

If you want to pursue surface waves, then you will need to know all mechanics related material on the list as well and more. Of course the resources suggested so far are only for introduction, and they are only like the letter A in the alphabet. We can talk about the rest via email, tailored to your present level of knowledge and goals.