A PLACE FOR DEBATE

[Grumpy]

Current will not flow with just a difference in potential.  You must create a condition where two potentials move in opposite directions.  (i.e. both moving or one moving and the other fixed.)

A gradient will not create current even though there is a difference in potential between two points within the gradient.  For example, there is a potential difference of about 200 volts between your feet and your head (a gradient) - yet no current flowing between the two.

It take two to tango.

I see no reason for a stationary charge to have a magnetic component.

[libra_spirit]

This has become an intresting thread!
As it is titled "debate," I will freely offer my own view as well. LOL!

On static charge
Does a static charge have a magnetic field? LOL! The question is impossible to find in nature, but really answers itself. If it were possible to have a static charge, would there be a magnetic field present?

I would offer the perspective at the atomic level where all is found to be near lightspeed spinning motions, and no such a charge can exist without motion. Therefore at the level of the atoms parts the answer is that no static charge is ever present without a magnetic field, or a canceled magnetic field.

The magnetic field in matter normally stays confined to the matter except in the magnetic elements nickle, iron, and cobalt, where excess magnetic fields normally radiate external to the atoms, or in the AG metals where current is flowing through the electron shell, Copper Aluminum ...

Thus in matter we see the magnetic field being cancelled within, and often the electric field may reach out further, and the apearance of static charge.

Observing the model of Wilbert Smith, the primary field is motion, or lightspeed spin as it first apears, then built on this the second quadrature force is electric and the third is magnetism. None can exist without the ones that underly it, so in theory we can have three levels of forces. Light, or torsion waves, then comes electric potiential, and last magnetism, a fully three dimensional force requiring a volume, normally a donut shape to manifest a distance cubed force.

Torsion and light propagate in the prime dimension as a field force and are stripped of any EM.

Normal electronics deals with electrons and valence orbits, or a shortage of electrons, and the flows of electrons between such atoms missing only one electron. The cold electricity is probably a Proton flow of photons between proton shells without the need for particles to move between atoms. These forces are 2 dimensional forces, or distance squared forces and do form a gradient across space between charged objects. However inside the atoms they are not static so the magnetic field is in fact always present just not necessarily radiant to a great degree until current begins to flow and electrons jump free of orbits. The magnetic field becomes a function of the current flow in wire, but the actual magnetic field originates in the particles spin motions, and the orientation that either cancels the magnetic field or does not cancel it.

The magnitude of the electric force should become obvious when we consider the strongest electric fields are being emitted from the loss or addition of a single electron in many atoms. Considering the number of electrons still having Proton mates in these atoms to neutralize them from radiating charge, the atom contains a tremendous charge within it.

The entire world of matter is held together by magnetism, and electric forces, and without these they would become light. Magnetism is ever present everywhere in either the scalar cancelling state or the active state at a level we can hardly fathom.

These are the E in Einstiens equation E = MC ^2 the root forces, and inside the atoms these forces are present in the three forms. Tempic, Electric , and magnetic. All the other forces are a result of these three interacting. Tempic being the one yet to be accepted by science as a real medium of propagation, but the one that perfectly explains Tesla's longitudinal waves, as well as torsion and light.

Electric force is a combination of the tempic and electric fields, where the electric field is in a state of changing modulation or gradient. It propagates along its electric vector carrying a tempic charge. Gravity is a combination of the same two forces where the tempic field is in a state of modulation or gradient and it carries an electric field along with it. Thus both drop with a distance squared function.

Light only responds to the tempic field and thus gravity having a tempic field gradient will bend light but EM having only an electric gradient will not.

On the Steven Mark device
On the Steven Mark device all I can say is the world is not yet ready to be handed something it has not comprehended as of yet. Groups like this one will change this, and it is not about what Steven did or didn't do, it's about what the larger consciousness of mankind is willing to accept and how long it takes to get beyond our present state of national economic function, the energy brokers, and shift the focus to mankind as one consciousness. Like the monkeys on seperate islands, when one person reaches comprehension then it will spread along the inner planes and sooner or later all will become knowers of the truth that has become present amongst us.

Recent work
Has anyone here yet identified the NMR pulses inside the kick pulses that pop up between coils at 90 degrees? I am guessing they are around 5 Mhz.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm

Dave L

[Moab]

@ Dave,L

Thank you! That was a very refreshing read.
                                                             Moab.M

[z_p_e]

btentzer wrote:

He PM'd me stating that his search for OU was over.  He solicited MY help.  Not the other way around.  ALSO, let me say, That being "OPEN MINDED"  does NOT mean believing "anything". 

Well, I was wrong on the solicitation. Apologies.

However, why did he seek you out in the first place? Was he looking for guidance, help? The language barrier?

Whatever the reason, you accepted the task, and that comes with a great deal of responsibility. In fact any time anyone posts a disclosure, they should do so responsibly...especially if the disclosure includes a claim of overunity.

Bruce, you are intelligent, there is no doubt, evidenced by your developments with raising shrimp. This is definately your domain.

Although I commend you for being so generous with your time and effort in accepting the challenge brnbade offered you, and with all due respect, you were taking a large step outside of your domain, and should have graciously referred brnbade to someone with more FE research and electronics experience. There are at least 4 candidates I can think of at the moment.

Based on the way things did play out with brnbade's disclosure, I can say with confidence that this person would have advised brnbade not to post anything yet, and would then solidify many things by asking for clarification and diagrams. Keep in mind that final drawings are not what I mean...just the basics.

Once all the bare minimums were in place, the disclosure post could then have gone forward...properly. This would have saved a lot of cafuffle in the process.

In the case with brnbade, none of these steps were taken, and the results speak for themselves.

I'm not placing blame, I'm just trying to illustrate that we need to be aware of the consequences of not having all our ducks in place before posting disclosures. And if we decide to help someone else in doing so, we have the same responsibility to ensure that it is done correctly, in a scientific-like manner. Not Phd level stuff, again, just the basics to start.

Cheers,
Darren

PS. I'll make a brief suggestion in a later post.

EDIT: Here is the post I promised...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2654.msg38296.html#msg38296

[Grumpy]

I wihtdraw my statement about magnetic moment - everything has a magnetic moment due to it's inherent spin - everything - spin is torsion and that is where it all begins.