A PLACE FOR DEBATE

[wattsup]

Here is maybe a very dumb question but for me it will help in seeing the future.

OK, Otto and Ronotte are testing using three mosfet/driver combos. What I would like to know is where in SM's devices do you think he had such components, the heat sinks, the  power supply to the mosfets, the heat generated, the noise, etc. Or can the mosfets/driver combos be made much much smaller in the future. But then how was it possible in 1997. Or is this question taboo? Or we are all right to agree Otto's device is not a TPU but a new power generator called the ECD?

I am also thinking that to build a TPU, maybe it is best to start building a fake one, same look, same performance but with any type of internal power source exciting any form of coil system possible to achieve the end result, that is to light or half light one, two or more bulbs for the same time as on the demos, that could be officially determined. Once this is achieved, then work backwards to work out the autonomous features.  You can put a limit on the internal battery to output ratio or only have the limitation of weight and practical size/shape and see what type of ideas can be hatched. I am sure there are some others here that would be interested in taking up such a challenge and it would be helpful to the builders. Maybe start a new craze. Maybe even launch a new contest. Who can build the best working replica, regardless of power source? Maybe even outsource it to China. They are so good at copying things fast and cheap.

[MrMag]

WOW, I just started going through this thread. Who cares what falls under what category?

What I see in all of this is that SM and Otto both have toroidal power units since they are both toroid shaped. Pretty simple. The Cooks coil may not be a TPU, but the theory behind it may be the same.

None of us know exactly how SM made his coil work, so how can we set criteria based on the unknown? BEMF, Rotational magnetic field ... all theories, by us. Even Marks mentions that "he thinks it works this way".

There are so many directions right now that it would be very confusing throwing all the research into the same thread. It is a lot easier following threads with SM, Otto, Cook.... and the replications.

Tim

[giantkiller]

With greastest regards to the others you mentioned we have gotten results at the far end of the realization spectrum.
I will portray in order...
Jason's or Otto's 50 turn coil produces kicks. It is a small device for test. No emminent danger but there are kicks.
The GK4 produces kicks of greater magnitude, RE of greater magnitude, high RF and up the scale of greater magnitude. Great emminent danger. Why? Greater production with sloppy control and more complex configuration.
Otto/Roberto ECD coil contains signal and RE control to harness the operation of power control. Emminent danger exists.
Bob.rennips BEMF application control circuit attempts to gain another level of greater control. It is a simulation from what I gather. But this step is timely.
The GK4 which is a copy of the Telsa's 382282. http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf times 3. Each layer/ring/collector is pulsed in parallel by each segment/control coil. It is using the BEMF to enhance the bucking effect.
Onto that add Otto's Mobius configuration. This proved the mobius connection was neccessary for this type of configuration.
Now I notice the 390721 patent is coming back around. What works always travels though time.

The sloppy iron windings actually create wings or sharp bends in the 30awg which point out to the feedback. This makes a hap-hazard RE connection because the edges do not align consistantly with the feedback. Plus the feedback has no corresponding edge for reception. The mag field is just perturbed randomly. So sad but great test.
Now the wing edge reappears in the ECD in a smartly defined single edge. I am impressed.

So what I see is a suggestion being given to the groups. The suggestion being actuated on and a proof being made by someone in the receiving group. That proof then appears somewhere in the future for the next step to create the next level of a proof suggestion platform. All with no great fanfare because we don't seem to catch on that quick until later on.

There are alot of electrical tests being made. I see more results from my tests when I approach the beast from a visual and wave or field generation aspect. Electrically I see alot of tests that can't prove or gain the attention of an advanced step. But that is not to discredit anyone or anything they have done. It just proves how Tesla's mysteries have held so strong until now.

But the predominant factors still stand the test of time. And that is smack the copper faster that is can respond/conduct, Kicks, BEMF, Radiant energy, Magnetic fields.

--giantkiller. TPUs: the breakfast of champions.

[z_p_e]

WOW, I just started going through this thread. Who cares what falls under what category?

What I see in all of this is that SM and Otto both have toroidal power units since they are both toroid shaped. Pretty simple. The Cooks coil may not be a TPU, but the theory behind it may be the same.

None of us know exactly how SM made his coil work, so how can we set criteria based on the unknown? BEMF, Rotational magnetic field ... all theories, by us. Even Marks mentions that "he thinks it works this way".

There are so many directions right now that it would be very confusing throwing all the research into the same thread. It is a lot easier following threads with SM, Otto, Cook.... and the replications.

Tim

Tim,

I would encourage you to read the compilation, or re-read it again if you have already.

The rotating field is not a theory proposed by anyone. It is clearly stated in SM's material, BY SM himself.

Darren

[Earl]

Hi All,

I haven't been following this thread, nor have I read through it.
I have time for cooperation and collaboration, but no time for debate.

Who cares whether

• a gasoline car,
• a diesel automobile, or
• an electric horseless carriage

are the same, similar or different?  I don't.

As the old proverb says:  it doesn't matter what color the cat, as long as it catches mice.

Earl's theorum:  Anyone debating where what belongs has too much time on their hands and should be thinking or building more while posting less.

Sorry if I so frankly and brutally call an apple an apple.

The environment is degrading so rapidly we don't have time to p!ss against the wind.

Get your asses moving on a solution guys, let's pull together as a group with team spirit and stop bickering.

Daren, you now have the ability to make a new topic with your experiments in read-only mode.  Show us your stuff when you are ready.  Nobody can give you sh!t, you are in the driver's seat in your read-only forum topic.  You are logical and intelligent, so I am sure that you have something to show that will be well-tested and documented.  Go for it.

I am gone from this topic, too busy to debate.

Regards, Earl