Ring Magnet SMOT

[Low-Q]

The gap between ring magnet and small magnets above it should be corresponding to the weight and inertia of ring magnet.   If last magnet is too close to ring magnet, naturally it attracts.  As seen from my video, ring magnet is moving out of last magnet.

The ring magnet can escape if you apply energy to the array by removing it when the ring magnet approach the end of that array. You do not only lift the weight of the array, but also fight the attraction between the ring magnet and the array.
A SMOT is a fixed construction. If you use energy from the kinetic energy in the rolling ring magnet to lift the array away, the SMOT will still not work. Because the kinetic energy that applies to the ring magnet comes from the attraction between the array and the ring magnet. They give and take the exact same amount.


Vidar

[rstergar]

yes
and this simple 2D motor with magnets will not work...maybe if they are coded magnets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9-iF67UxXk
...we must figure out something in 3D... it must have multi layer rotors and maybe inner and outer stator...
good luck 

[gyulasun]

The ring magnet can escape if you apply energy to the array by removing it when the ring magnet approach the end of that array. You do not only lift the weight of the array, but also fight the attraction between the ring magnet and the array.
A SMOT is a fixed construction. If you use energy from the kinetic energy in the rolling ring magnet to lift the array away, the SMOT will still not work. Because the kinetic energy that applies to the ring magnet comes from the attraction between the array and the ring magnet. They give and take the exact same amount.


Vidar

Hi Vidar,

The problem with the SMOT (be it built in any shape, with steel ball or ring magnet or ball magnet etc.) has always been to arrange the moving object to be able to return to the entry point of the SMOT gate i.e. looping.

The escape from the 'side wall' magnets or from a magnet array can be solved, it has been solved.

Naudin showed two SMOT ramps linked one after the other here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/s102jln.htm

Naudin performed some measurements too: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotnrgt.htm
The video link at the bottom of his page is outdated already, here is a working link to the same (right click and download for yourself):
http://jnaudin.free.fr/atelab/videos/smotnrg320.avi  from his French pages: http://jnaudin.free.fr/atelab/index.htm

So the ring magnet in vineet_kiran's test can surely escape from the attracting top magnets row. The task is to find an arrangement where the ring magnet can return to the entrance of the top magnets row... 
for instance what if the ring magnet is placed on the edge of a rotor plate and the row of the small magnets are arranged in half (or quarter) circles above or below the circular path of the ring magnet?
If the ring magnet is able to escape in the test shown in vineet_kiran video (and it can escape for sure) like the ball escapes in Naudin or others SMOT tests, then the circular movement may also be a possibility with a "circularly arranged ring magnet SMOT setup".

Gyula

EDIT  When I mentioned the placement of the ring magnet onto a rotor plate to possibly obtain a rotary setup instead of a linear one, I did not realize vineet_kiran already mentioned the circular track for his setup at the bottom of his PDF file, sorry for this.

[Gabriele]

Hello! If we arrange a 300K Km smots arrays around the eart,linearly,it should work... what do you think?

[Low-Q]

Hi Vidar,

The problem with the SMOT (be it built in any shape, with steel ball or ring magnet or ball magnet etc.) has always been to arrange the moving object to be able to return to the entry point of the SMOT gate i.e. looping.

The escape from the 'side wall' magnets or from a magnet array can be solved, it has been solved.

Naudin showed two SMOT ramps linked one after the other here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/s102jln.htm

Naudin performed some measurements too: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotnrgt.htm
The video link at the bottom of his page is outdated already, here is a working link to the same (right click and download for yourself):
http://jnaudin.free.fr/atelab/videos/smotnrg320.avi  from his French pages: http://jnaudin.free.fr/atelab/index.htm

So the ring magnet in vineet_kiran's test can surely escape from the attracting top magnets row. The task is to find an arrangement where the ring magnet can return to the entrance of the top magnets row... 
for instance what if the ring magnet is placed on the edge of a rotor plate and the row of the small magnets are arranged in half (or quarter) circles above or below the circular path of the ring magnet?
If the ring magnet is able to escape in the test shown in vineet_kiran video (and it can escape for sure) like the ball escapes in Naudin or others SMOT tests, then the circular movement may also be a possibility with a "circularly arranged ring magnet SMOT setup".

Gyula

In the video he drops the ball from the input when the magnets are further apart. Ofcourse that will change the outcome. I would assume that tests like this is not relevant to prove that the concept provides over unity.


Vidar