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Increase the potential energy without any energy

Started by activ25, September 24, 2016, 11:14:10 PM

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activ25

Quote from: lancaIV on September 21, 2017, 04:57:51 AM
If you take away some digits/letters form a mathematical fixed formula,
how and what you will get a/-s result ?

                                          SYNTAX(A) ERROR

                                 be ever (nearest) the reality

OK lancalV, I understood.

lancalV: forget my thread please.

Low-Q

If you use a calculator, and do the math with that one, the calculator will not provide an answer that is higher than the mathematical sum or product of numbers you put into the equation. This is a major problem when trying to calculate the output to be more than 100%.


I guess you must turn into something like virtual math that does not obey the mathematical rules. But then you must be the first to invent such a calculator.


Don't forget that what you want to find is a product of it all. To calculate energy, you must deal with multiplication from two general sizes. For example mass multiplied with displacement. Force multiplied with displacement.
Many hobby scientist focus on forces only, and get stunning results with their calculator. Then I tell them to multiply force with displacement, then the product allways ends up in zero.


Using math correctly, and account for total displacement, total forces, in every possible direction, is very important if you want the result to be correct. The result, if done correctly, allways ends up in zero.
Sadly true.


Vidar

activ25

I use maths. The device without the white disk conserved the sum of energy, I calculated the integrals. Now,with the white disk, I count the energies: potential energies (at start and at final) from the springs, and work of the walls: force (pressure by surface) by angular rotation. I don't need a mass to have an energy, the basic formula is force by length. And if look at the final equations, I wrote energies not forces.

lancaIV

      free parameter or need of energy input calculation !?     

             spring ! natural season or industrial device ?

             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem

             100%-99,66%= 0,0034% - error-preserve +/- ? %


    wmbr
            OCWL

activ25

Quote from: lancaIV on September 21, 2017, 10:38:48 AM
      free parameter or need of energy input calculation !?     

             spring ! natural season or industrial device ?

             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem

             100%-99,66%= 0,0034% - error-preserve +/- ? %


    wmbr
            OCWL

And Noether's theorem is based on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_(field_theory)

And my device is not continuous, so the theorem of Noether cannot be applied here.