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Magnet force shield

Started by Floor, January 21, 2017, 11:14:49 AM

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Floor

@all readers

This really works and is an amazingly simple solution to
the "sticky spot" in magnet "smots" and in an "all magnet motor design".

It is the basic reason for the successful functioning of
the TD (or twist drive) designs.

Magnets ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE in all interactions, but rather they are only so
when the vectors of their approach to one another, and their escape from one another
are limited to the typical.

If properly constrained in their motions to sequences of specific right angle vectors
in relation to their poles, magnets are not conservative. 
               and / or
If properly constrained in their motions to sequences of specific right angle vectors
in relation to their poles, and then constrained to a specific axis of rotation in relation
to their poles, again magnets are not conservative.

More work and / or energy can be cyclically gotten out of their force interactions than is input.

                               Much more !

By using 3 inexpensive ceramic magnet in hand, one can easily and quickly
demonstrate this for ones self.   

From a hard ware store these magnet typically cost around $4 U.S. for two
of them (1 7/8  by 7/8 by 3/8 inch).  With four of the magnets one can easily
demonstrate this principle.

Pleas find the attached PNG drawings.

                    best wishes
                           floor


conradelektro

@Floor:

Conventional wisdom (or science) says that whatever shield you use, it costs as much to move and remove the shield than what you can gain by using the shield.

There are hundreds of (useless) patents for permanent magnet motors with all sorts of shields.

Magnetic force is conservative in all directions and with all shapes of magnets.

Of course you can always question conventional science, but you would need very strong and convincing proof. Best would be a permanent magnet motor self running. But it was never shown and it should not work.

It might be possible to come up with a permanent magnet motor at a temperature of absolut zero degrees (minus 273,15 centigrade). A bit like supra conductivity.

An other possible venue would be a motor at the atomic level embedded in a strange molecule, turning with the same speed (or a harmonic) as the electron zips around the core of an atom.

The only things not known are the very small (at the size of atoms or even smaller), the very big (cosmological sizes like galaxies) and the very cold (at absolut zero). All "normal" things you can easily touch and work on, are pretty well established.


The big time of "home scientists" was the nineteenth century, and many things were discovered at "home laboratories". Nowadays you need stranger things like particle accelerators, very cold places or telescopes in space.

There are things you could work on: http://www.wired.co.uk/article/elon-musk-solar-city-roofs-october-28

Mr. Musk made a big show of solar roofs. But I could not find, how he intends to connect the individual roof tiles (individual shingles or whatever you want to call them, the individual photo voltaic plates). It is a bummer to only connect twenty big solar panels, but what about hundreds of little ones? So, if you can come up with a good idea on how to do that, it would help enormously. Observe that there will be considerable erosion on the roof, because of rain, cold, heat and ultra violet rays, not to forget ice, snow and wind. I followed the patent literature about this problem for years, but nothing good was invented.

A roof and solar panels are not a good match. They should be ventilated on the roof side. Therefore they are kept at a distance of about 10 cm from the roof, what means that some sort of structure is mounted 10 cm above the roof. This then means that one has many points where a bolt or a cable goes through the roof, which are all possible and future leaks. It is much better to mount photo voltaic panels on a wall of the house where leaks are not so difficult to avoid. Or one mounts photo voltaic panels on a structure a few meters away from the house, which is not pretty. I saw some nice arrangements at houses built on a steep slope (which causes other problems, e.g it is not nice to live there).

So, there are plenty of good ideas still outstanding in the field of alternative energy generation (with conventional means like wind, solar rays or water). And this could be done at home with little money. It is all about how to mount these things and how to integrate them in a house, also the electrical installation.

Greetings, Conrad

Floor

@ConradElectro

Quote from ConradElectro

"Magnetic force is conservative in all directions and with all shapes of magnets."

End Quote

You are simply, miss understanding the interactions in this matter.

Yes, it is a simple fact that, the force required to pull two magnets apart
is the same as the force of their attraction.  In this respect magnets are "conservative".

It is precisely because magnets are conservative in that respect...
                       that
when both a N pole and S pole are facing either a  single N or a single S pole
they exhibit no NET magnetic force (neither attracting nor repelling)...
when that force is allowed to act ONLY along a vector as illustrated in the PNG drawings.

This is in fact, also a conservative interaction, as zero is equal to zero.

When the proper alignment of magnets is made (as illustrated)

The center magnet or magnets IN EFFECT provide as force
shield between the two outer magnets.  See this for your self.

This is easily accomplished by mounting one of the magnets upon a sliding track,
and fixing the other magnet to a base,  or by simply holding the magnets in hand.

Please examine the drawings / examples or there is no real discussion here.

                 regards
                           floor

Floor

@ConradElectro

If it remains very long, that there is no response from you, then I will
consider it.... that you have conceded.

                best wishes
                          floor
                     
                    PS
                         please remain on topic