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Magnet force shield

Started by Floor, January 21, 2017, 11:14:49 AM

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conradelektro

Quote from: Floor on January 21, 2017, 03:33:49 PM
@ConradElectro

If it remains very long, that there is no response from you, then I will
consider it.... that you have conceded.

I told the standard answer to a "magnetic shield". Well, you have an other opinion, which is fine.

What remains is proof. I know, the measurements are difficult and tedious. That is the reason why I am not doing measurements with permanent magnets. I believe the standard explanation till some one provides conclusive proof otherwise.

The easiest way to conclusively prove that a "magnetic shield" is what you are claiming, would be a self running permanent magnet motor.

The "magnetic shield" in a permanent magnet motor is the equivalent to turning of or reducing the current in a motor with coils at certain times during a revolution. And exactly that was never shown. There is no "magnetic shield" in the sense you are claiming. Placing and removing a "magnetic shield" costs more than can be gained. It is similar to a "gravity shield", which also can not exist.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: Sorry about the photo voltaic roof shingles, it would be something worth while to work on (in contrast to "magnetic shields").

norman6538

Floor in this drawing "Magnet force shield 2.PNG" I have tested the
effect of turning on and off the magnetic repel force and it appears
that a simple sliding force will do this. So I will put this together
and measure the forces to see what the input and output work
really are.

It looks very exciting...
The tricky part of the repel work done is "closer stronger and further
weaker" so as they push apart and give you work out they give less
and less work out.

Thanks,

Norman


Zephir

QuoteMagnetic force is conservative in all directions and with all shapes of magnets
The above claim is rather assumption given for thoroughly measured steady state - but what about the dynamic transition phenomena? I'm not sure it does apply on temporal basis.

For example we know, that the attraction of magnets to piece of irons doesn't run continuously: the individual ferromagnetic domains resist their re-orientation and they're doing it in small jumps, which can be detected as so-called the Barkhaussen noise. That means, for brief intervals of time the magnetic field and the forces between magnets cannot be considered as a fully conservative quantity anymore. The magnetic force must "wait" for reorientation of domains, before it can increase/decrease again. And what would reorient the magnetic domains during these intervals? The thermal fluctuations of material, which will assist this process into account of the content of heat of the material, which will cool itself during it.

These brief intervals of time are therefore just the moments, when the negentropy can take its place according to my theory.

Floor

@ConradElectro

The on topic parts of your comments were pertinent, and worth
hearing.   As per usual you input had value, and helped scope the
project.

               thanks
                   floor

Floor

@norman6538

Looking forward to it Norman.

               regards
                          floor