Utron research

[conradelektro]

As long as you're getting into the magnetic component of the device, you might want to try testing/replicating this with your Utron (Img Attached: generating a magnetic field via a moving static field).

thanks,
-rei

@rei and Cherryman:

If we go back to the Rowland Experiment in the19th century (demonstrating that a electrostatic charge on a turning disk produces a magnetic field) we will learn that the magnetic field will be 10.000 times smaller that the earth magnetic field. This is the reason why his measurement apparatus was rather complicated and had to be very sensitive. See the attached image.

I doubt that the photo in rei's post was a real experiment (spinning a phonoraphic record with a fan motor). The compass would not be sensitive enough to measure the created magnetic field. But a magnetic field would really be created (just too small to be measured with a conventional compass).

This is no criticism, just a statement of facts from a well known book. (I say this because people are very touchy in these forums concerning known science.)

So, spinning a electrostatically charged disk will only create a very weak electromagnetic field. And such a weak electromagnetic field will only induce a very weak current in a coil. I guess in the order of Micro-Ampere. Heuristically you can deduce that easily because the charges zipping throug a conductor move roughly with the speed of light. How small is the speed of the charges on a spinning disk compared to the speed of light?

Greetings, Conrad

[Cherryman]

@ Conrad : Tnx for that info Conrad.  I take it on board.

@ all
Meanwhile some more tests.
I think you will find most of it boring.


Anyway, here they are. I keep forgetting to talk about what i'm doing ; )


A bit of everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbvlv6MJ5po


Coil testing : http://youtu.be/GsIRfQ5w59s

[conradelektro]

A bit of everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbvlv6MJ5po
Coil testing : http://youtu.be/GsIRfQ5w59s

@Cherryman:

From your "bit of everything" Video I see that you are Building some electrostatic motors.

Is the intention to have "something spinning" (which could be done more easily with a cheap little conventional DC motor doing up to 12.000 rpm) or are you also interested in having the spinning disk carrying Hig Voltage charges?

From your "coil testing" video and other videos from you I see that you want "some rotor" turning inside the funnel shaped coil.

Is it important that the rotor (which spins inside the coil) carries High Voltage charges?


What kind of High Voltage source do you use? (To what are the ball-chains connected?)

Greetings, Conrad

P.S. Some electrostatic experiments I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notE4ugcgvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TmoQFEk8d0

I guess your tests are not about "electro statics"?

[Cherryman]

@Cherryman:

From your "bit of everything" Video I see that you are Building some electrostatic motors.

Is the intention to have "something spinning" (which could be done more easily with a cheap little conventional DC motor doing up to 12.000 rpm) or are you also interested in having the spinning disk carrying Hig Voltage charges?

From your "coil testing" video and other videos from you I see that you want "some rotor" turning inside the funnel shaped coil.

Is it important that the rotor (which spins inside the coil) carries High Voltage charges?


What kind of High Voltage source do you use? (To what are the ball-chains connected?)

Greetings, Conrad

P.S. Some electrostatic experiments I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notE4ugcgvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TmoQFEk8d0

I guess your tests are not about "electro statics"?

It's hard to categorize my tests, but yes,  Some are definitely about electro statics.
You are right that some of my rotors are nothing more as a simple electrostatic motor, but i needed those little steps to get more familiar with the subject hands on.


You see, for me it is a journey and also a learning experience.


So to get more grip on translating my concept to a working model i am continuously taken side steps to get more understanding of a subject. 
Some of the experiments are just for my understanding, some are proofs of concept for my design.


I had some spin up to around 30.000 rpm, with an attached motor.  that was for example if my setup would even hold high RPM.
No i know it is capable of doing that, i go to the next step.. etc..etc.


The rotor is a capacitor in my opinion, so it gets charged up, and eventually releases the energy back into the system.
The coils are to force the particles in a direction ( think Cyclotron concept)
The timing and the wiring will bring me some more questions.. but i got a fairly good concept in my mind.

right now i have to get some more grip about the characteristics of capacitors.
]Last:  My powersource is ( don't laugh now ) an air ionizer i bought in a second hand shop.  After taken te cover of, there was this needle point. So I tested hanging a cable on that needle..  en things started to work.
Just enough for now, to test concepts.. and not get electrocuted all the time.
I have no clue about the amperage, frequency or voltage of the powersource.
I do know its is a DC powersource and my test with an electroscope decided it are negative ions.

Another powersource i use for testing is an AC switching high voltage powersource.  It came out of an continues arc lighter, and after i doubled the voltage, it works good for now.

Although i would prefer something where i can adjust frequency or voltage.


Anyway.. I know i'm not very scientific in the normal way.
It's not my goal to become a master electrician, neither do i claim to have a working model, I do like however the search and still believe in the concept!


The little experiments however make me sometimes change insights or minor adjustments.

Work in Progress


PS. Nice vids. Electrostatics are fun.


I will attache a nice picture of a replica of an oldie. The shape is interesting, but the real jewel is in the text!

[conradelektro]

Cherryman, thank you for your answers.

Here a web site that is dedicated to Otist Carr (you probably will know it):

http://bluestarenterprise.com/

Otist Carr's books, e.g. "Atoms for Peace", can be found here:

http://bluestarenterprise.com/getting-started/

I guess you eventually want to build something like that? (See attached copy from the plans of Otist Carr)

http://bluestarenterprise.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/OTC-X1-plans.pdf

I listened some time to the Otist Carr radio interviews. Well, I am not intelligent enough to learn enough from them to build a flying craft.

I am sure you are having fun with your builds. I also like to build something from time to time just for the fun of it.

Greetings, Conrad


P.S. the interesting question concerning the nice Franklin motor in your post is: how long does it turn with the stored electrostatic charge? If it is very well built, may be for hours?