Fakes love them or hate them?

[h20power]

If you are like me you might from time to time run searches to see just what people out there are posting about their personal work on Stanley A. Meyer's technology and find it totally fusterating to have someone like, Daniel (HHO Hydrogen) Donatelli[/color][/font], constantly stealing from others, whom are actually doing the work, posting them as his own just to try and sell his companies products which for the most part haven't anything to do with the work of Stanley A. Meyer and/or have it all wrong.
Personally I feel this type of behavior really hurts the movement as now when any one that hasn't ever asked any questions about Meyer's technology that goes to ask their first question will pull up all of his stolen work and never be able to talk to those of us that are actually doing the work. It also makes me wonder if his actions are part of some larger plot to discredit Meyer's technology by showing that someone interested in posting all of these stolen videos has no moral values and will seemingly sell his own mother if it meant he could make a profit from doing so.


This guy even has some of my work stolen word for word on his website "Secure Supplies" not understanding a thing about what I am talking about but more importantly not caring for his aim is only to sound credible enough to get you to buy something from his website.


Here is a clear example of just what I am talking about.
Say you are running a search on YouTube for Stanley A. Meyer and you then click upload date to get the latest someone has posted on YouTube on the topic. Now you ran this search on a Wednesday but unknown to you Tim Man posted a video on Monday of that same week. Because of Daniel's constant post theft you wouldn't see Tin Mans video in your search of you only stayed on the first page and sometimes even on the second page of your search results. So, in essence this guy would have effectively prevented you from ever seeing that video Tin Man had posted.
This is a real problem for this technology as not only will he have prevented someone from seeing this technology but more than likely if someone actually starts to sell working units for this technology he will pretend to be that person and steal your money. Trust me he has done this to me when I first put up a exciter array for sell. He had a picture and everything for someone to buy my cell and I wonder just what would have been the result if someone had purchased it from him as our two companies do not do business together and as far as I am concerned never will be doing business together in the future. I wonder just what would have been the result of someone buying my cell through him would have been?


So, just so everyone reading this knows if at some point in time True Green Solutions starts selling working units know that no matter what my company will not be doing business with Secure Supplies.

[Dog-One]

You're dead on with your post Ed.

I've butted heads with Danny boy several times in the past.  He is mostly clueless about any of the technology he presents, none of which is actually his.  He wants so bad to be in the mix, part of the solution, but has nothing to offer and actually gets in the way every time he touches the keyboard.  He's not even a salesmen.  I asked him one time about sourcing some powered ferrite core material for making a custom core.  He knew zero about the material specifications, how long it would take to get it, transport costs, how many pounds per batch, etc, etc.  But he had a price tag all right.  It was a joke.  Secure supplies my ass.  I've been told by a couple of guys Danny means well; I'm not convinced.  This is a perfect example of "avoid the middleman and go straight to the source".  Danny is not a value add distributor, though he considers himself an Alibaba.com.  He's not.


Not to worry though Ed.  When you get your systems put together and make them available, I'll be sending people your way.  Just stay in touch and let me know when you're ready.  I'll be happy to do a review of your first systems hot off the assembly line, free of charge BTW, plus I'll pay you for the system in advance.  You'll get full credit for the work you have done and will do.  People will be able to see the real thing, what it does; how well it does it.  If it's the quality I've seen in your previous work, these things will sell themselves.  You won't be able to produce them fast enough.

[h20power]

You're dead on with your post Ed.

I've butted heads with Danny boy several times in the past.  He is mostly clueless about any of the technology he presents, none of which is actually his.  He wants so bad to be in the mix, part of the solution, but has nothing to offer and actually gets in the way every time he touches the keyboard.  He's not even a salesmen.  I asked him one time about sourcing some powered ferrite core material for making a custom core.  He knew zero about the material specifications, how long it would take to get it, transport costs, how many pounds per batch, etc, etc.  But he had a price tag all right.  It was a joke.  Secure supplies my ass.  I've been told by a couple of guys Danny means well; I'm not convinced.  This is a perfect example of "avoid the middleman and go straight to the source".  Danny is not a value add distributor, though he considers himself an Alibaba.com.  He's not.


Not to worry though Ed.  When you get your systems put together and make them available, I'll be sending people your way.  Just stay in touch and let me know when you're ready.  I'll be happy to do a review of your first systems hot off the assembly line, free of charge BTW, plus I'll pay you for the system in advance.  You'll get full credit for the work you have done and will do.  People will be able to see the real thing, what it does; how well it does it.  If it's the quality I've seen in your previous work, these things will sell themselves.  You won't be able to produce them fast enough.

The primary problem with people like this is they do far more harm than good. From my point of view they just want to tap into the money that can be made with this technology by any means they can think of. I have even found another person that was running around creating names that he thought people would use and become successful with these technologies so that he could wait until they got big and sue them for using his name. He was a bit upset at the name of my company as he didn't think of the green revolution and thus could not sue my company for it's name is an original name that he had no ownership of. These people are what make successes hard fought when trying to start up and company as they act in a way to destroy someone before they can truly get started and it's all being done out of pure greed. All people like this only have short term goals in their heads and seem to have no care for anyone else but themselves.


I too had some interesting talks with Danny when I finally caught up with him about having my products on his website for sale but we had made no contracts with one another. He tried to make a new deal with me asking what was the minimum buy and how much would I save him for being a whole seller. I told him the minimum buy price and would give the standard 25% off and I then went on to tell him if I could I'd sue him for having my products for sale on his site without written permission from me to be doing so. As you know he is in Thailand and their system of government is basically pure corruption which makes it almost impossible for any one to sue them. This is the primary reason why he is doing what he is doing as there is nothing anyone can do to him about it legally.


The sad part is there are a lot of these people stealing information from others trying to make an easy buck. I just so happened to be the target of a lot of these people for at first I believed in Open Source and was actively sharing things as I learned them. Now I know better as I have went through Meyer's school of hard knocks. People would constantly steal my designs, art work, research, and anything I would choose to share in an open forum and pawn it off as their work and ideas. To this date most people have no idea that I steered the research on Meyer's technology away from the bandwagon circle it was in when I got into this technology back in March of 2006. Back then people were literally practicing insanity as there where doing the same things over and over again expecting different results every time they did so. They would build one water fuel capacitor and then turn around and build another one exactly like it and then expect different results. This should have been a sign to me to just go it alone but like I said at the time I believed in Open Source so I looked over these glaring flaws I saw people doing. Even when people rose up in mass against me for trying to get them to make use of the scientific method I still looked on the bright side of things. It wasn't until the 2013 global breakthrough energy movement did I start to wake up to just what Open Source truly was for I was supposed to have a 30 minute speaking part at the event but it got taken away from me and given to someone else to just get up there and tell jokes. While I can be sure of their reasons for treating me that way I do know that Sterling Allen stood me up for an interview and if it wasn't for John Fraser no one would have even known I was at the event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWhQusfWuac&t=16s


This video will be the last time I ever try and teach this technology to others as the school of hard knocks has left me with a bad tasted in my mouth concerning Open Source. People came out of the woodwork to shut me down but I was determined to succeed and I simply out lasted them over time.

[ARMCORTEX]

He was kind enough to even pay attention to your useless work.

There is nothing to scam you have nothing that is really past a hobby for people who believe in such stories.

From what I remember there was never any signs of success with Stanley Meyers, if he was a fraud then can we believe the brother of a fraud. He was either a fraud or an honest/paranoid scientist that fooled himself.

If we believe the second scenario then its is a MUST, that you listen to Stephen's interview, and understand that when he said something in the lines of, "we didnt know what happened really with what Stan was doing, my system is much better."

There was alot of scientific continuation to be made and that is what Stephen did.

Now I really believe you DONT have the electrical skills to decipher this patent, I dont see much skill in your work and deeper understanding that Stephen has, the perfect candidate for such tasks. Anything he could have said is worth much more than what you say, this is why I am tired of argumenting with unsupportive people like you from such forums idiot 100% cannot communicate woth bozos anymore.

If you believe he is being honest you go and see Stephen as your god, if not, you were gonna get screwed from the day you started with hydrogen business, bad science defraud operation.

[h20power]

He was kind enough to even pay attention to your useless work.

There is nothing to scam you have nothing that is really past a hobby for people who believe in such stories.

From what I remember there was never any signs of success with Stanley Meyers, if he was a fraud then can we believe the brother of a fraud. He was either a fraud or an honest/paranoid scientist that fooled himself.

If we believe the second scenario then its is a MUST, that you listen to Stephen's interview, and understand that when he said something in the lines of, "we didnt know what happened really with what Stan was doing, my system is much better."

There was alot of scientific continuation to be made and that is what Stephen did.

Now I really believe you DONT have the electrical skills to decipher this patent, I dont see much skill in your work and deeper understanding that Stephen has, the perfect candidate for such tasks. Anything he could have said is worth much more than what you say, this is why I am tired of argumenting with unsupportive people like you from such forums idiot 100% cannot communicate woth bozos anymore.

If you believe he is being honest you go and see Stephen as your god, if not, you were gonna get screwed from the day you started with hydrogen business, bad science defraud operation.

Like I attempted to tell you before, "You simply don't understand the underlining science behind this technology." Through much hard work I was able to get at the real science behind this water for fuel technology and I have shared just the science only. Stanley Meyer's brother more than likely doesn't understand the science behind this technology as it isn't intuitive at all, but more importantly he lost his brother due to this technology and that has got to have left a mark on him. But for starters it really is Dr. Dingles technology as he was running his car down the road on water back in 1968 and I was able to talk to him before he passed away. Since the science behind this technology was never put out by either of these men yours truly was the first to actually do so.


You seem to be a fraud to me so I guess your coming to vote in this thread is fitting but just know it is actually talking about people like you in my opinion. People that have an idea that they are totally unwilling to work for the hard way but only seek the easy way out with other peoples money. Unproven ideas are not worth much as you have to be able to take something from a dream to reality and that road will be a bit rocky. Things that use to be a dream for me have now been made into a reality. I can hold them in my hands, run all sorts of test on them, and improve upon my results over time. I have moved from the dream word into reality and suggest you learn to do the same by pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps as I have done. Be a self made man and work hard to make your dreams come true on your own dime as if you do some people just might rally behind you and start showing you some support, but you have to give them something to rally behind. People can rally behind my work as they can see it, touch it, watch it work (for those I choose to show), and know that I have put something that use to only be a dream into the real world.


You see there is something else I have shown everyone and that is me actually applying a high voltage potential difference to an exciter array and as of right know I am the only one that I know of that has done so. The last voltages I showed to everyone was me putting 8.8kv to the exciter array but I noticed that people were not happy with my results and just showed strong signs of envy towards my work much like you are showing me right now. So, I stopped showing my work to everyone as a result. But you don't have take my word for it, run a search and see just who else is placing voltages this high directly to a water bath and see who's name comes up over and over again. In the video interview I place only 4.2kv to the cell and to this date not a soul reached those results let alone pass them. Trust me when I tell you it is not all that easy to place a high voltage potential difference on plates in direct contact with water for if it was everyone would be doing so.