Designs: A Self-Powered-Pulsed-Motor, and, A-New?-Generator

[dieter]

Some interesting ideas. Some I'd say not working tho. Example given: Charging and uncharging capacitors, like in electrostatics, has that mysterious energy loss up to 50%.


The problem with my negative induction drive design was not Eddy currents, as you said, but Lenz law.


Eddy currents are heating losses, spontanous tiny shortened 1turn coils within the solid material like iron parts. These can be prevented with laminate or ferrite.


Lenz law on the other hand is about the magnetic field of a coil, as soon as you try to harvest its current, will be polarized in such a way that any mechanical force, that is moving the primary magnet in front of the coil, will be braked: when getting closer you're repelled, when you move away, you're attracted by the coil.


The manifestation of the Lenz law in my fluxpath switching design was a bit more complicated, but basicly the same.


You were right, but I am not sure whether you knew why. But that's fine ^^

[guest1289]

     No,   I was wrong about why your motor would not work,  the reason I had thought,  was that your motor would get stuck when the rotor and stator align,  because I thought the  big  'Rotor-iron C-core'  would get stuck to the  stator-magnet  that moves into the  big  'Rotor-iron C-core'.
         -  But you had explained that that was perfectly balanced by the other flux path leading from the stator-magnet  that moves into the  big  'Rotor-iron C-core', or by the actions at the  coil-with-core  component.

  from your latest finding of why your motor won't work,  it seems to be that the central concept upon which your motor is based, won't work ,  a problem which initially seems impossible to fix

   However,  I actually think that your motor could work with whatever required modification or redesign,  but I'm not sure why you'd bother,  if people have already achieved this.

     I think that people have actually overcome the current reason why your motor will not work,  in their own very closely related designs,  that  your motor and their motors are different versions of each other.

   I have noticed more than one, of other peoples motors that are closely related to yours

   And  yesterday I found that apparently the other poster above, in this actual thread,  shylo( artv ),  if he is  'art porter' ,  that his work,    that people replicating his work had apparently overcome your current? problem,  but I'm not sure,   I think by using 2(?) coils,  but I forgot to bookmark the page.

   My own ideas for fixing your motor would be a redesign,  just vaguely guessing at the moment,  by further  separating things apart and away from each other,  and or by using some different effects ,  but would it be worth doing,  since you may not be the first person to get  this type  of motor working .
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   The  PENDULUM-MAGNET-MOTOR IDEA  I posted yesterday,  I think that although the magnets would help lift up the swinging-magnet/pendulum,  they may also slow down the swing speed of the pendulum as it leaves these magnets,  so maybe any gain is lost.
      However,  obviously  many many people in the past have come up with much more advanced versions etc.

      And about 1 year ago,  I posted a diagram of my  MAGNET-GRAVITY-MOTOR on this site.

      Below, is that diagram again ,  the MAGNET-GRAVITY-MOTOR

        - the rotor is the magnet,  and the stator is just iron
        - Note : Obviously those two small extra stators at the end are to allow the rotor to escape from the big stator,  but obviously the rotor is also assisted by gravity( and momentum ) to escape from the big stator   
        -  However,  if you have seen the  diagram on the wikipedia-page for the SMOT,  you will see that it uses a different type of  leaving-gate to allow the metal-ball to escape the  SMOT,  I wonder if that type of gate could be more effective.

        Yesterday, I  'think' I discovered that someone in the last 5 years may have invented a version of this motor before me,  although some aspects of their motor were different,  I didn't check all the details to check all the differences.
           But anyway,  it was definitely no surprise,  when I first designed this motor,  that because it is so simple,   I assumed that it had been designed by other people before me possibly as far back as 500 years, more, or less.
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Work Done By Magnets

  I think if anyone wants possibly the very simplest home experiment to prove that magnets can do work,  then that would be the  SMOT,  and maybe also other versions of the SMOT ,  or,   linear-v-gate-motors?( I can't remember all the distinguishing factors between all these etc )
     Basically,  my idea is that if you can give the tiniest consistent( measurable ) nudge to a metal-ball  so that it enters the  SMOT,  or,  enters a  linear-v-gate-motor,   so that the  SMOT( or linear-v-gate-motor ) shoots the  metal-ball  out,    then  you could  very  easily  compare  'all'  that work done,   to the  'much-less'  work  done when you give the tiniest consistent( measurable ) nudge to a metal-ball without it  entering into  a  SMOT( or other similar motor ).
    NOTE :  On the  diagram on the wikipedia-page for the SMOT,  you will see that it uses a  very  unique-leaving-gate  to allow the metal-ball to escape the  SMOT,  so if you use the  SMOT for the above test,  that  unique-leaving-gate  would be essential to propel the metal-ball to the best distance
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   also,  below are some of my more interesting  magnet-motor  designs

    DRUM VERSION
        I could never work out if I based this motor on a principle which actually works,  since I don't have appropriate things to do proper tests with
        Basically, I thought that if a magnet floats in a boat above a  very-long-rectangle-made-of-iron( which is underwater ),  that that boat will go to the exact center of that  very-long-rectangle-made-of-iron,    the advantage of using this   very-long-rectangle-made-of-iron  shape  to any other  shape,  is in  the  Absolute-Minimization  of the only sticky-spot in this type of motor,  which is the last  rotating-magnet that wants to move away from the strongest part of the stator.
        In this diagram,  there is also a  Side-View  of this motor,  in which the  basic-rinciple  can be seen more clearly.
        The reason for a  Drum-Version,  is so that  rotating-magnets  do not affect the same/only  big  stator-iron  that  is trying to attract the  other  rotating-magnets,   since I could  'maybe'  see some problems( not relating to eddies )

    MAGNET-MOTOR-10-10 , this is an  improved version of  'DRUM VERSION'  mentioned above,     by moving the  start-point of the stator so close to the  end-point  of the stator,   that I am using that effect to jiggle free that sticky-point .
       I didn't bother drawing the  drum-version of this improved version,  too much drawing etc

    MAGNET-MOTOR-3-2-5 ,  I had wondered that this was my  magnet-motor design with the most torque

[dieter]

The Smot is a ramp motor. As far as I know, forces are in equilibrium, no gain. What tricks most experimenters is that they ignore the force required to A: move the rotor or moving part to a point, from which it will selfaccellerate. This is your sticky spot.


We are not very diffrent, in enjoying to design motors without to understand the underlying basics. Even tho, I may know a couple of things more, which makes me wanna say "learn the basics first!", I don't know everything neigther. I guess nobody does.


MOT and TOMI tracks are seductive, until you realize their energy equilibrium. The same goes for the sticky spot of any ramp design. Even tho, my other thread about energy extraction from permanent magnets indicates that there would be ways to overcome the sticky point.

[dieter]

BTW. nice drawings. The Gravity tho, is always in equilibrium. It's addition can't give any gain, but usually just increases friction. If the weight falls down, it must go up again, reducing the torque by the same amount as it increased it when falling. Been there too.

[guest1289]

  usually I only post comments/ideas on this site,  so that in future if they develop into anything significant  anywhere,  I would at least get some recognition

 

The Gravity tho, is always in equilibrium. It's addition can't give any gain, but usually just increases friction. If the weight falls down, it must go up again, reducing the torque by the same amount as it increased it when falling.

    yes, although I was also hoping to break-symmetry,  with the momentum provided by gravity,  or vice versa,  but I know you already know all that ,  and more etc

   for me,  SMOT 's  are probably the most high profile  'possible'( maybe !) quasi?/proto? proof that magnets do accomplish work

  In particular,  I have noticed at least one  SMOT where the metal-ball  goes right around a track( not sure how much of the track was just downhill gravity ),   and returns  back to the original starting point,  although it then encountered a  .5cm-1cm  vertical-gap  to go on perpetually,    so  if you know of the various tricks/methods  that are known( available to )  by these makers/designers,  you can see how that gap could be bridged

The Advantage Of SMOT 's  Over Other Similar Motors
   Since  SMOT 's  use a metal-ball to be the moving part ( instead of a magnet ), there is no sticky-point  at the start of the track, 
    -  there are various examples of  the metal-ball going through 3 or more SMOT 's,     
       -  not to mention some even more interesting  effects

      -  In  similar  motors like   linear-v-gate-motors,   because they use a  'magnet' as the moving-part( instead of a  metal-ball)     there is always that strong sticky-point at the start of the track,   which seems more difficult to overcome than the  sticky-point at the  end  of the  SMOT  track,   at the moment I can't remember,  but I'm sure there must be examples of a  magnet  travelling  through  2 or 3 or 4  v-gate tracks
(  if there are no examples of  :
      "a magnet  travelling  through  2 or 3 or 4  v-gate tracks" ,    I know that there are various  tricks/methods  that are known( available to by these makers/designers that should be able to overcome or minimize that problem )
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   Pushing Aether Though An Electrical Conductor To Generate Current
     For people who think that pushing Aether though an electrical-conductor,  could generate current,   just as some sort of proof of what  Aether is,  or what it could do etc,  I thought up of some simple possible tests

      -  A magnet in the shape of a fan or propellor( or a more advanced compressor or contra-rotating design ),  which  rotates on a shaft,   to try and propel  Aether,   
           and then,  channel  that  Aether  into  a  long  cylinder-donut-magnet( a  small-hole  running right through the cylinder-magnet, so that it is a cylinder-donut-magnet )  ,   this is not only  for  further  compression of the  Aether,  it is also to  separate  by distance  the   Propellor-Magnet  and  the  following metal-wire
            so, at the end of the cylinder-donut-magnet,  is simply  a  metal-wire ,  in a  loop?,  to try and detect any current
            Note :  The magnetic-flux changes caused by the rotating  Propellor-Magnet,   would/could very possibly be transmitted along/through the  cylinder-donut-magnet,  which could cause a current to flow in the wire,  which could give false results,    that is a problem I cannot think of how to fix at the moment ( and I assume the sphere-donut  invented at the university at barcelona would have the same effect )

    But I thought of a much simpler option,  that is to simply blow air at a wire( a specially insulated wire, to eliminate any electrostatic effects, etc ),   a wire in a loop?,  since I'm thinking that all those air-molecule could possibly propel at least some percentage of the Aether,  and some of it could go into the wire 

   And lastly, an idea I assume would not work,   it  is exactly the same as the first idea involving the  Propellor-Magnet( and the cylinder-donut-magnet ),   however,  in this version,  the  Propellor-Magnet  is replaced  by  a  Non-Rotating Special-Cylinder-Donut-Magnet( it Does Not Rotate ),  which  has screw-grooves  inside the hole,   just to see if maybe this  Non-Rotating Special-Cylinder-Donut-Magnet  can propel  Aether to generate current