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The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency

Started by evostars, March 18, 2017, 04:49:26 PM

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evostars

Quote from: dieter on March 19, 2017, 09:34:35 AM
Ok here's Jack Noskills' thread/ project:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg501319/#msg501319
I don't mean to become offtopic, there seem to be some interesting parallels.
Thanks for the link! I will read it soon.
for the specs you ask about. the video already states alot. 3 coil stacked,  pulsed with a pulse generator (I use a igbt driver but it's nit necessary).  the frequency is, the resonant frequency of the coil,  and depends on the iinductance and capacitance of the coil.

I will make another video about the resonant frequency, and standing waves.

MileHigh

Quote from: evostars on March 18, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
The bifilar pancake coil, is a interesting coil. It has inductance, but more importantly it has increased capacitance, due to the high voltage difference between the coil windings. It looks like a coil that is a capacitor at the same time.

When the coil is freely resonanting at its resonant frequency, it produces a static magnetic field. At the same time it produces a dynamic dielectric field.

This dielectric field has interesting capabilities. it seems as if it has been stripped of the magnetic field component. It interacts with ground signals. It is able to transfer energy through one wire, and produces voltage in metal objects that are in the field (but not connected).

I really feel that this is the pure form of electricity. And Im very curious about its properties.
I could not find solid info about it, so I started to do my own research. and I was amazed with the results. To fill the information void about this, i have started to make a video series about it.

https://youtu.be/xHDrmGPY-78  about the dielectric field of a bifilar coil
https://youtu.be/uhY27Zoor-Q  about the magnetic field of a bifilar coil (at resonance and DC)

I looked at your three clips and you seem like a very nice person and you have lots of enthusiasm.  For you there is a base issue related to your investigations.  Do you try to pursue learning about conventional electronics, or do you ignore conventional electronics and only pursue learning about so-called "alternative" electronics?  Or do you try to pursue a mixture of the two?  That's your choice to make.

What I am noticing is that this forum is not a good learning environment and if you want to learn about conventional electronics you are probably going to have to pursue that path by yourself or with other people.  I am quite certain that many people that watched your clips that like "alternative" electronics but also have a reasonable understanding of conventional electronics were not helping you when they could have helped you.  They are not sharing good information with you because doing so would make them feel uncomfortable for some strange reason.

I am just going to make some comments from watching your clips the other night.

For starters, there is no such thing as single-wire energy transmission.  There is always an "invisible" AC-coupling to the ground plane for both your device under test and your signal source.  That's why you can get the capacitor to charge with one wire in your tests.  Why does the voltage get higher when you put your fingers on the capacitors?  The answer is that your fingers and body provide a more robust (higher capacitance) signal path to the ground plane allowing the AC signal source to add larger puffs of charge to the capacitor.  Larger pumping puffs of charge into the capacitor means that the capacitor reaches a higher quiescent voltage where the added puffs of charge are in balance with the reverse current leaking through the diodes.

When you place your two pancake coils together with North-North poles facing each other, how come you can barely observe any repulsion between the two pancake coils even through with your compass you can definitely detect the field for each individual coil?  The answer is based on geometry such that the divergence of the magnetic field produced by each coil in the close proximity of each coil is very low.  Very low divergence equals very low force.  A hypothetical zero divergence in the magnetic field for one, the other, or both coils would give you a zero repulsion force between the coils.

When your pancake coil is truly in a self-resonant mode, then by definition both the electric field between the turns of the coil and the magnetic field around the coil have to be oscillating back and forth.  So your conclusion there about a constant unchanging magnetic field around the exterior of the coil in "self resonance" is incorrect.  Why can you observe an apparent DC magnetic field around the "self resonating" coil with your compass?  It's because your signal driver circuit, even through it is exciting the coil with an AC signal, is presumably also driving the coil with a small DC component such that you can detect the DC field with the compass needle when you move it around the coil.  As a suggestion, you can make a small coil of say 20 turns about the diameter of your thumb and attach that to your scope probe to make an AC magnetic field "sniffer" to check the strength and orientation of the AC magnetic field around the pancake coils.

Resonance of a circuit and the self-resonance of a coil have specific meanings that must be understood and then measured properly to confirm that you are truly observing the phenomenon of resonance.  Just observing a peak voltage reading on your multimeter or on your scope waveform is not an instant "confirmation of resonance."  It will take you some time to develop a skill set to correctly determine when you are observing resonance.  Part of that exercise involves actually identifying the mechanism of the resonance and the components of the resonance.  In other words, about every two minutes in your clips you are proclaiming "resonance."  That is not the case, and these things have to be carefully determined and measured.

Now, some people are going to be upset that I made this posting.  I am trying to suggest to you that if you are interested in electronics and electronics experimentation there is a vast amount of knowledge out there.  It's up to you to determine what path you want to take.  And I am disappointed that many of the people following you that know better are not making any real effort to give you some good and useful information.  Many people have seen the types of things that you are doing dozens of times before.  They only want to throw the usual "alternative" electronics information at you.

I am not here to engage with you or try to teach you.  I just came here to shine some light on your round of experiments with your pancake coils and let you know that there are options.

Good luck in your experiments.

MileHigh

evostars

Thanks for you opinions Milehigh,
I have my classic electronic education, but it is related to sound electronics.  it was a good learning school.
I also have limited knowledge of radio electronics. But with AM radio techniques there is alot of mis information.
So now I just look at things, my way. based on observation. Shure I will make mistakes. but thats ok with me. As long as Im learning,  and more importantly,  think for myself. I know the answers are In me. The are not found on the cencored books and youtube.

basically, I do not believe in a electron/photon PARTICLE... 

nelsonrochaa

Quote from: MileHigh on March 20, 2017, 04:43:17 AM

"What I am noticing is that this forum is not a good learning environment and if you want to learn about conventional electronics you are probably going to have to pursue that path by yourself or with other people"

"For starters, there is no such thing as single-wire energy transmission"

MileHigh

fool is the one who thinks already knows everything closing the "window" to learn and improve their wisdom

MileHigh

Quote from: nelsonrochaa on March 20, 2017, 07:19:59 AM
fool is the one who thinks already knows everything closing the "window" to learn and improve their wisdom

Oh really?  Am I closing the window?  Or am I opening the window?

And who is the real fool?

Absolutely NOT, there is no such thing as singe-wire energy transmission.  Understanding that requires understanding energy.