Light Source from MVP (Magnetic Voltaic Potential) by TLG-team

[Grumage]

Nelson
yes your words Pain me [members afraid to post things] ,

we should after all teach whenever we can ...and learn whenever we can

and always be respectful to each other

I see the Koala helping over at Nick Z's thread  and it feels so good to see this.
and to see Nick's example is wonderful too.

How can we change this ?

we all need each other and we all share this same rock ??

But...perhaps our perspective has not been rubbed the wrong way as much as the science has here ?

If I tap you on the arm one time ...it is nothing... when I tap TAP TAP TAP over and over
it becomes a very sensitive spot which will linger for a long time
and just one Tap days later will make you want to punch me.

a sore spot has formed here with certain members and the simple science
we need to figure out how to address this or the forum will just be a singing choir of ?what?

respectfully
Chet K

Dear Mr. Chet.

There's a very simple answer.....

Get out there with a couple of rods and measure....

I posted my results yesterday.  "  I have just measured 25 microamps at 35 millivolts. The voltage is much lower than last year when we saw 200 millivolts. " That was at a distance of 7 meters apart with a North South orientation.

My mother often said " It takes all sorts to make a world " and indeed we have allsorts here on this forum, lets just try and get along. I have always tried to treat others as I would like to be treated, it has worked for me from the time I first learned about it, another wise soul now departed.....

Kind regards, Mr. Grum. 

[dieter]

Grum, did you test the wire connected on various heights over ground? Was is insulated?

[TinselKoala]

Yes, that is right, go out and measure.

But if the claim is that the orientation must be N-S for the effect to occur.... do you only measure N-S? Or do you also measure E-W, not as a test of whether current flows, but as a test of whether the effect _depends on orientation_ as the original claim states.

Further testing should also be performed in the event that orientation IS found to be important, to further test the claim that it depends on the magnetic field of the Earth and not some other factor like soil moisture gradients or... SWER.

Here we have seen the original claimant say that E-W testing is not important and implying that therefore it should not be done.  And furthermore that enough power is available to "light up your house", and does it without current flowing.

SO what part of me pointing out that it is indeed important to do those control experiments which properly test the claims ... is wrong or "trolling"?

And now we have someone else suggesting even that experimentation at all is somehow wrong. We should just accept any claim simply because it is made, and not test it, because that's a waste of time, and suggestions for properly performed experiments are "trolling"?



Hey Zephir, if you jump off the top of a ten story building and flap your arms hard enough, you can fly. Please go out and try it for yourself! And you don't even need to report your location.  (But don't forget to squawk like a seagull when you try it....)

[Grumage]

Dear Mr. All.

I live in a rural situation with my electricity being supplied via overhead line. The system employed is known as PME, Protective Multiple Earthing. This means that my earth conductor is also part of the Neutral conductor. I know that it is highly unlikely that I should see any AC ground effect, in fact I don't.... I see DC voltage, with obvious polarity.

Sadly my yard is totally covered in crushed and compacted Limestone and the only areas of grass are much less than 30 metres for any full test to be carried out.

I can confirm that I see voltage in West East orientation and even oblique's of the cardinal points. I have tried various metals wondering if the voltage is of a " Galvanic " nature, seems not.

In all tests I used an extension lead/cord with the three wires strapped together to reduce the resistance.

kind regards, Mr. Grum.

[nelsonrochaa]

Nelson
yes your words Pain me [members afraid to post things] ,

we should after all teach whenever we can ...and learn whenever we can

and always be respectful to each other

I see the Koala helping over at Nick Z's thread  and it feels so good to see this.
and to see Nick's example is wonderful too.

How can we change this [to see more of this here]?

we all need each other and we all share this same rock ??

But...perhaps our perspective has not been rubbed the wrong way as much as the science has here ?

If I tap you on the arm one time ...it is nothing... when I tap TAP TAP TAP over and over [starts to bleed]
it becomes a very sensitive spot which will linger for a long time
and just one Tap days later will make you want to punch me.

a sore spot has formed here with certain members and the simple science
we need to figure out how to address this or the forum will just be a singing choir in a church of FE

respectfully
Chet K
Ps
I see dieter has commented while I plunked

there is no ultimatum here or wasted time in this thread,the experiments will be done.

I think you can make your own world here and ask people of like mind to contribute ,as long as you follow forum rules [we all should]
but asking for scientists to not come here or be banned ?
your in the wrong forum ,you would need to start your own...

look at the example of Nick's thread nobody bothers him [them] everybody is interested and everybody tries to help
especially [lately] TinselKoala.

Seems after my post , you did not understand so clear my message .
Not need that forum become a "church of FE"  just need that people respect each other nothing more and that is fair .
I not agree too , that  "scientists" should not come here or be banned , because we need them and i thank by their presence , in other hand that should not mean that they have "special"treatment that alow  them talk in the way they want , and same should happens with other persons , and in that way for sure everybody will gain with that .

Like i told you,  my last message, was not addressed to anyone in particular even you particularize by your own intuition or maybe by your inner feeling , and was not my intent make people feel deconfortable like i see .
About your last suggestion , i will follow the rules for sure , and i did not expect less from the same "references" people of this same forum, because that forum is a free space where any one could visit , since play by the rules that are stipulated  .

Seems fair to you ?

Cheers

Nelson Rocha