A3C & X-MAGNETS AND PMF.

[Belfior]

Belfior,


Rectifiers where discussed on the second page her and there two links to wikipedia explaining
rectifiers and rectifiers in DMMs, also count that DMM is build for meassuments of AC currents
Within 40 to 400 herts with allowed +/- 1% of presission.


And and here we've made one more page dedicated to obsessions round multimeters while no discussions
of generators.


https://sites.google.com/site/ageofmagnetizm/home/magnetomechanics/hyperefficient-generator



HYPEREFFICIENT AF PMG-MMEIR 4E8M.
Construction and methods of utilization and results of testing of

the Axial Flux Permanent Magnets Generator of Magneto Mechanical Electro Inducting Rings .
Generator is made as experimental prototype and during various testing has
manifested hyperefficiency - converting energy so that output of electric energy is more than 1000%
of the input of mechanical energy

thx Age!

[gyulasun]

Hi ageofmagnetizm,

From your posts it clearly comes that you consider a voltmeter as the load for your generator.

You seem to completely neglect the internal resistance of your voltmeter.  Your DMM has about
1 MegaOhm internal resistance in both DC and AC voltage measurement modes. And you connected
"bunch of various loads from 5 to 100 Watts"  in series with the 1 MOhm voltmeter and you claim
you have a super efficient generator.

This is what is "amazing". 

If you doubt your DMMs have about 1 MegaOhm internal resistance in voltmeter mode, then please take
them to the laboratory you earlier mentioned and have them checked.  Or see my notice in the PS at the bottom.

I measured my M-830B DMM with another DMM, see my earlier post here
http://overunity.com/17293/a3c-x-magnets-and-pmf/msg520991/#msg520991  but then you rejected my request
to check your DMMs for yourself as an off topic. 

All this means that you have not reported any correct load test on your generator you claim as hyper efficient
and you want us believe it by calculations, not by measurements.

I quote from your google site blog:

"Following is table of values of testing of AF PMG-MMEIR 4E8M having drive motor turning generator on two different RPMs.

RPM           ohms      volts      watts
  400           448         82         15
1400           448       270       163   End of quote"

These Watt numbers are not the results of loaded measurements, you calculated them from the
DC resistance of the generator coils and the unloaded AC voltages your DMM showed when you
connected it in series with the load.   This way the 1 MOHm internal resistance of your DMM prevented
the direct connection of the load to the generator because it was in series with any load you intended to use.

Your loaded current was I=270V/1MOhm = 0.27 milliAmper when your RPM was 1400.

You have NOT proved by any correct measurements you have a hyper or super efficient generator,  unfortunately.

Gyula

PS here is a review of the DMM you have: https://www.petervis.com/meters/dt830d/dt830d.html
and here is the circuit diagram of the DT830D DMM you use and it can easily be figured out what value internal
resistors are used for the DC and AC voltmeter inputs to prevent any loading effects on any voltage source
you happen to measure:
https://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/dt830x-multimeter-circuit-diagram.133113/#post-1112187   

Of course it is normal that voltmeters have high value internal resistances, the cheaper DMMs have about
0.5 to 1 MegaOhm while the other types have about 5 to 10 MegaOhm, to prevent any loading on the measured voltage.

Gyulasun, the key word you've just produced : "also".


I've collected bunch of various loads from 5 to 100 watts (LEDs, incandecents, thermoelectric)
and 've meassured AC voltages and resistances using both discussed here methods
and ' have calculated powers of all resistors and 've found that independetly from methods
- powers of resistors are same and matching powers given by manufacturers.


I see nothing amazing in it because that physical properties of objects are independable from
methods of meassuments - hence both methods are equally gooood,
same is fo calculation methods where AC voltage and resistance are sufficient for calculation of power
which is the same when its calculated from known current and resistance and/or current and voltage.


Amazing is how rational people change when they face something what simingly contradict to theirs beliefs,
or perhaps people change because that posting commercial links they earn several coints so to say...

[ageofmagnetizm]

Gyula, here on this forum is place just for your intersts:


http://overunity.com/problems-and-solutions-for-accurate-measurements/#.WvrPr05RU1I


Count that my claims are in patent offices and here I just share information,
without intentiontion persuate everybody, if nobody ask me about princeples of engineering,
Methods of increasing of output, processes implemented and processes which are validating, -
then its just OK, - I'll have more time to fulfill my duties insteed of chatting the same simple routines.

[citfta]

ageofmagnetizm,

You have had at least three different people that have many years of experience try to explain to you why your method of measuring is wrong.  You still refuse to listen.  Why?  Why not just do the measurements that gyula has asked for?  Are you afraid your generator will fail the test?  I actually think your generator might have some interesting things going on with it, but there is no way of knowing if you refuse to use proper measurement procedures.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[gyulasun]

Taras, it is one thing you have patent applications: it does not prove your generator is super efficient,
claims written in any patent applications are just words you type here on this forum or elsewhere.

I knew that you were again neglecting to give straight answers to relevant questions with respect to
your measurement issues. You write you had no intention to persuade anybody, you just share information.

Yet, your videos, your blogs, your posts at both forums report about your super efficient generator which
has this feature I quote from your blog:

"Mechanical 16.2 watts power input is being converted into 47, 89, 119 and finally 163 watts electrical output,
what means that energy conversion rate is approximately 1000%."  These were your data:

Number of coils              ohms        volts      watts
1                                     112            73           47
2                                     229          143           89
3                                     339          201         119
4                                     448          270         163

One thing is: you calculated the power from the appropiate generator coils DC resistance, R, and the unloaded AC output
voltage your DMM showed, by using this formula for the power:  P=V²/R     No real or meaningful load applied.

And there is another thing in the background I have not mentioned yet.  It is the DC resistance of the generator coils.

Let's say just as an example: the 163 W output power is taken out by a load from your generator coils, ok?
And suppose your DMM shows the 270 V AC output voltage, now just calculate the output current that is involved by
the alleged 163 W output power, ok?  Suppose for simplicity that this current is in phase with the voltage, then the
load current I=163W/270V=0.6 Amper. In case this current would indeed flow in your generator coils, it would cause
an internal voltage drop inside the coils as: V= 0.6 A*448 Ohm = 268.8 Volt. This would mean that if you would really
take out 0.6 Amper from your generator, the earlier (unloaded) output voltage of 270 V would quasi 'disappear'
(or at least significantly get reduced) from the load which was supposed to take out the 163 W from your generator.   

Of course, finally there is the question of input power: how it increases when you really load the generator coils by
the 47,  89,  119 and 163 W output power numbers. 

Gyula