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Overunity Machines Forum



Overunity Device by Tanju Argun (Moderated)

Started by gotoluc, June 23, 2017, 06:28:51 PM

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I had a thought : if the current used to light those leds is really that small then it will be interesting to test how much smaller wire diameter is possible to use here without heat damage ?

gotoluc


Quote from: Tanju on June 24, 2017, 04:32:44 PM
Thank you,
Actually there is also a loopback I forgot to mention The bicycle chain seen in the video is connected to a 110 volt dc motor which is energised by the same 80 volts feeding the LEDs
This motor helps kicking the flywheel from time to time.Thus the flywheel is always at constant speed.. So it is not exactly as sea monkey thinks . Shaft power loaded will not reduce drastically.
regards
Tanju

Quote from: gotoluc on June 24, 2017, 04:51:09 PM
Okay, this is new information!
I know I said we will be looking at the electrical side first but I think this qualifies as an electrical component of the device. So since we didn't know about it I have a few questions if you don't mind.
Why did you add this DC motor?
What happens when you remove it?
Did it improve the COP of the device?
It must be at an rpm where it's generator action is mostly neutralized?
Thanks
Luc

Quote from: Tanju on June 24, 2017, 05:17:07 PM
OK It is new for the forum but it was there in the video.
I added the motor because originally the Bedini RPM was lower than expected and another purpose hand start was difficult  33 Kg flywheel, so I thougt it would be a good starter for Flywheel Bedini.
But later , things improved and my RPM with unloaded shaft increased to 200 and stayed constant even without the motor operating. So I put a switch  "monkey" switch. I am keeping the motor for the days when I will have a loaded shaft. Nothing happens when I remove (switch off) the motor. COP does not change.
regards
Tanju

Good day Tanju,

I'm assuming the 110 Volt DC Motor you have connected to the flywheel is a permanent magnet motor, is this correct?
If so, it's great to have it there as it can serve many purposes, one being a dyno load test to measure the flywheel continuous output capabilities.
The other could be to use it as an Isolated output to feed back to the input to see if it can keep the input batteries charged.

I'm just thinking of different possibilities that could be done when you feel ready to do so and I'm sure you have already though of these possibilities.
Looking forward on your resistor load test results.

Regards

Luc

gotoluc

Some of my fellow researchers from another Research Forum are having issues loging into this forum.

The below is a copy and paste of questions and concerns they have written to date:

TinselKoala [24|Jun 06:29 PM]:   Luc, please point out to Tanju and everyone else who may care, that once a flywheel is running at a constant speed with no shaft load, the only power it dissipates is that required to overcome bearing friction and windage.

partzman [24|Jun 09:28 PM]:   Luc, my question for Tanju was going to be "What voltage level does the capacitor charged from 'massless current' reach and how does it compare with a normal time constant calc?".

TinselKoala [24|Jun 10:00 PM]:   Further, he says his LEDs are not flickering, and offers the LDR resistance as evidence of equal light output. OK, so let's see a _scope trace_ proving that the LDR is seeing a steady, nonflickering light output from the LED.

TinselKoala [24|Jun 10:35 PM]:   Note what the WIKI says about photoresistor latency and stability. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...esistor "unsuitable for sensing rapidly flashing lights" and "unsuitable for applications requiring precise measurement of or sensitivity to light photons"

TinselKoala [24|Jun 10:40 PM]:   However he claims that his filtering capacitors are assuring straight DC power to his LEDs. Why then do they not heat up? This is a real issue that must be resolved by proper measurements.

Tanju

Quote from: gotoluc on June 25, 2017, 12:00:25 PM
Good day Tanju,

I'm assuming the 110 Volt DC Motor you have connected to the flywheel is a permanent magnet motor, is this correct?
If so, it's great to have it there as it can serve many purposes, one being a dyno load test to measure the flywheel continuous output capabilities.
The other could be to use it as an Isolated output to feed back to the input to see if it can keep the input batteries charged.

I'm just thinking of different possibilities that could be done when you feel ready to do so and I'm sure you have already though of these possibilities.
Looking forward on your resistor load test results.

Regards

Luc

I made the pure resistance tests as promised  and I am even more confused now, but let me answer your motor question first
Yes it is a dc motor 110 v0lts and can also be used as a generator. And I tried that , but I could not get more than 13 volts with the 200 rpm I have and the bicycle chain ratio I have . Those gears  are two straight gears (no gearbox). In order to use it to charge back my battery I must increase it to more than 26 volts.

Now, the pure resistance load test:
I had only 11 Watt stone resistors available so I tested with 3 resistors
100 Ohms Voltage drops to 54 v0lts and the current I measur is the obvious natural 540milliamps. PLUS HEAT
20 OHMs Voltage drops to 30 volts The current is 1.5 Amperes MORE HEAT!
10 Ohms Voltage drops to 24 volts Current 2.4 Amperes MORE! MORE Heat!
Then I went back tomy 3by7 Led array 80 volts 300 milliamps NO HEAT and More and MOre LIGHT!
I am pissed off!