Confirmation of OU devices and claims

[tinman]

Ok,after some more digging,i have the words straight from the horses mouth--John him self.


Quote:
The reason is the DC motor must be off when the dis-charge occurs.
http://www.johnbedini.net/john34/bedmot2.jpg

After looking at what Tom Bearden did in the book Electromagnetics part 4, This is what I did in 1984 to make the first model 2. I knew that it must be a switching and impedance problem, I also knew allot about pulse charging systems and what they did to the lead acid storage batteries . I also knew about charging batteries with huge Capacitor Banks. I was good at this because of the Amplifiers we were building at the time.

You run into all kinds of Impedance problems and Phasing, so this was a piece of cake. I also knew about Mass weight and what flywheels did and how they stored energy. I figured that the generator could not be the normal kind because they were saying the word ENERGIZER which really means MAGNETO, but this did not answer the question of where the current came from, the Capacitor was the answer.

The MAGNETO would charge this very fast and to High Voltages some times 10 times the battery voltage. When the machine first ran it would explode the batteries if they were bad, so I put the switch S1 to control it. When the battery would get low I would switch S1 to charge the battery back up.

This was 18 years ago with what we have today this machine can be made real easy if you tinker with it and get it set right. The ENERGIZER How did I come up with this one you see in the picture. My uncle was a old time mechanic who was a real tinker, he use to tell me of the old lighting circuits just after the horse and carriage days and things that people would never believe, this is where My MAGNETO comes from. I told Jim Watson how to do this, I never thought that he would build a Machine that big but He did. and that's the story of this machine. Jim got paid off I got pushed agents the wall and told to by gasoline the rest of My life but once you see something like this you never give up.

John go's on to say--as he has many time's,that when you hit the battery with continual high current pulses,a reaction takes place within the battery that you do not get with a steady DC current.

So,the cap dump system is used,as the generator it self could not deliver such high current pulses at an instant. The caps are charged by the magneto over time,and then all that stored energy hits the battery hard.

So we now know that the !energizer! is just a magneto,and the schematic he supplied in the link is of his V2-->but he seems to have left out the FWBR.
I would also move S1 to a position before the cap,so as you do not get an over voltage in the cap when S1 is open.

What is a magneto

Quote: a small electric generator containing a permanent magnet and used to provide high-voltage pulses.

Well,this is exactly what we will have with my setup.
The high voltage pulses will come from the cap,that is charged by the magneto.

High voltage pulses can be obtained from a magneto in many different ways--spring loaded rotors that flip from one spot to another fast,while the shaft remains at a constant speed--EG,automotive magneto's,or by coil shorting,such as the small magneto i have on my bench that was used to make the telephone ring back in the 30's.
Johns version stores the charge from the magneto into a capacitor,and then a switching mechanism dumps that high voltage charge into a battery.

The only difference between what my setup will be,and the schematic John supplied above,is we will be using an electronic switching circuit,instead of the commutated switching John used in his V2 machine.


Brad

[wattsup]

@all

Biggest mistake of the Bedini thingy is the diameter of the Energizer/Generator coil wheel seems slightly greater then the flywheel so any drag on those coils will be transferred to the shaft tenfold. Leverage is the most neglected factor in our rotating machines and cannot be compensated by fancy switching. So if the base design is faulty, the total design will not work.

So.... instead of let's say a 24 inch generator wheel, you used 3 or 4 smaller diameter generator wheels on that same shaft? Now the leverage of the flywheel will always be greater then the breaking leverage of the drag causing generator coils.

But guys will not think about their designs in advance. They will just jump in blindly thinking that "REPLICATING" someone  elses mistakes will produce a different result.

wattsup

[tinman]

vindication.....  this was pointed out on page 3.....useless babble my ass.... 


unfortunately you are still missing the point....  the layout is wrong.....  the magneto must become a motor.....

the capacitor discharge path which includes the charge battery, is through through the magneto, specifically through the very same inductor which charged the cap.

No where dose John mention that the magneto is put into a motoring phase,nor that the discharge from the cap ,go's through the magneto coils.

Johns own diagram also dose not show this-see below.

I will demonstrate this, however, I will not provide any diagrams I just want it to be known that it can be done!  If you want to do it, figure it out like I had to...

Yes,i know how to do that already.
But neither John or the diagram calls for that.


Brad

[tinman]

no brad its not mentioned in the diagram, dig like you did before and find that I am right!




you're too close minded for your own damn good...

if you knew his work, you would have identified it just like I did........ you would know that he superseded his old shit.....

But it is his old !shit! that i wish to replicate,not some super seeded model.
I wish to build the one depicted in Johns schematic.

.I offered to make a demonstration but after this post see that there is no point.....

If you wish to show me,then that would be appreciated.
If you dont wish to show me,then that would be understandable.

If what you have is not related to the machine i wish to build(the one depicted in the schematic i posted),then there is not much point wasting your time doing so.

If it is related to the V2,then by all means--im all ears and eyes.

Brad

[tinman]

@all

Biggest mistake of the Bedini thingy is the diameter of the Energizer/Generator coil wheel seems slightly greater then the flywheel so any drag on those coils will be transferred to the shaft tenfold. Leverage is the most neglected factor in our rotating machines and cannot be compensated by fancy switching. So if the base design is faulty, the total design will not work.

Now the leverage of the flywheel will always be greater then the breaking leverage of the drag causing generator coils.

But guys will not think about their designs in advance. They will just jump in blindly thinking that "REPLICATING" someone  elses mistakes will produce a different result.

wattsup

So.... instead of let's say a 24 inch generator wheel, you used 3 or 4 smaller diameter generator wheels on that same shaft?

Well thats not very good math Wattsup.

So now the generator wheels are 1/4 the size,but we have 4 times as many.
This means--no loss/no gain.

You just made 3 left turns,and ended back where you started from