Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy

[Zeitmaschine]

Void: »Because Kapanadze's devices seem to be legit does not mean that the Barbosa and Leal devices are legit.«

But it makes it likelier. Kapanadze's devices also capture electrons from ground.

First Barbosa and Leal demonstrate a free electric energy device, a short time later they back down, saying sorry, it was a mistake. Shortly afterwards they file a patent regarding a process that normally requires electricity, but thanks to their invention (or discovery) of a new chemical process it does now work without electric power consumption. You have to admit, that this is quite suspicious. Even more in the light that the respective website shows not one genuine image of something real, just symbolic photos and drawings.

BTW, can you show me the ground loop in the drawing below? It is the non-polarized version as depicted in the patent. Though I still have no idea what the polarized version should be good for.

As one can clearly see, there is a dot missing in each of the two drawings. Does that mean, there is no connection between some mysterious positive voltage source and the closed loop, but rather that plus sign is just a pointer, saying the closed loop is already connected to positive? Of course it is connected to something (periodically) positive, namely to the high voltage transformer coil. The minus sign connection is drawn with a dot. Does that mean, for some reason, it is imperative that the primary coil is connected to ground? Maybe for safety, because the looped coil is energized with high voltage? Or could there be another reason?

The left-hand drawing shows two primary coils connected in parallel and two secondary looped coils connected in series. I have no idea what the advantage of that could be. At least the different versions prove, Barbosa and Leal experimented a lot with that kind of setup, so the chance they missed to recognize a simple (non-existing) ground loop should be even less.

[Void]

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They are in fact receiving their power (all of it) from ordinary sources not shown by the hoaxers, and this is why the "replicators" here have not and will not ever succeed in their goals of making "self runners". 
(The Barbosa-Leal devices are simply working from their local SWGR grid system, as has been explained many times over.)

Hi TK. While I fully realize that the chances are quite small that any given OU device claimant's
devices are really OU, Kapanadze has done various demonstrations of his devices up close in front of
a number of different people where people were able to watch as things are connected up and inspect
all the wires etc., and his demos in Turkey and on the island for potential investors would be particularly hard
to fake it seems to me, especially the island demo where it was said that Kapanadze did not know
the destination for the demo before hand. The potential investors took Kapanadze there by boat. The island demo video
clip that I think was originally posted by Youtube user 'teofiliuss' (the Youtube account is no longer there now), who I think
stated he attended the demo and he may have been the one who video recorded it, seems to show that Kapanadze was able
to demonstrate his device on that remote island.

When I consider all the different demos that kapanadze has done under different conditions, I know that as unlikely
as a real OU device may be that Kapanadze's various demonstrations up close in front of other people, all
taken together as a whole, do stand up pretty well to critical analysis. To suggest that Kapanadze used hidden
power wires or a giant hidden tesla coil transmitter in every case when powering loads from about 1kW to 5kW,
and possibly a lot more in one or two demos, with no attendees to date ever reporting seeing anything suspicious
just does not seem too likely to me. So as improbable as his devices may seem, until I see some actual convincing evidence
that Kapanadze has been using tricks I think the actual evidence to date leaves it open that Kapanadze's devices
may possibly be real.

Akula's few demonstrations that we know of in front of others without (any reported) detection of any tricks so far also
makes me think that his devices may possibly be legit as well (not using tricks). Notice I use the term 'may possibly'.
There is no way to say for sure those devices are legit OU devices without independent testing, but nevertheless
I think Kapanadze's and Akula's devices (maybe to a lesser extent) are possibly legit, all things fairly considered.

I do not jump to conclusions without actual reasonable and convincing evidence, so I take the position that Kapanadze's
and Akula's devices might possibly be legit given all the evidence to date, and it can't be reasonably said that
either of these guy's devices are definitely fake without some actual evidence of that. It would likely take one very large
tesla coil to power loads of several kW's at a far distance, so that doesn't seem too likely at all to me as a possible
explanation. Kapanadze is not powering loads of a few Watts or tens of Watts. He powers loads of kW's in his demos.

I agree that the Barbosa and Leal devices are not likely legit. They have not done any convincing demos in front of others
that I know of where they were able to demonstrate apparent OU using a battery and inverter as the power source, or showing
a self looped configuration with no battery or other power source, so their claims of OU seem very unlikely to me given what
they did show.


All the best...

[Void]

Hi Zetmaschine. The drawings you posted for Barbosa and Leal would seem to show
a direct connection to the grid live phase and neutral phase to the load, which would seemingly
indicate that the power is coming directly from the grid for those configurations. Patent
drawings sometimes/often contain deliberate omissions or some deceptive details, so it is
not clear how the load should be connected in their patent drawings. However Ariovaldo who
posts here got his hands on a device that was made by Barbosa and Leal, and Ariovaldo did a
full tear down on that device and the load was connected between the live phase and the earth
ground wire, according to what Ariovaldo found when examining the device. That is a ground loop.
So, I have been basing my opinion on both the patent drawings combined with what Ariovaldo
found in the device that was built by Barbosa and Leal. The fact that the current meter on the
device also read the current loop current rather than the input current on the live phase wire
also seems very suspicious.

If Barbosa and Leal were to demonstrate an OU effect with their devices in front of a number of
independent witnesses when powered from a battery and inverter, or when configured as a self
runner with no battery at all as Kapanadze has done on a number of occasions, then I might
be more inclined to think that they may possibly have something legit, but what they have shown to
date with a connection directly to the grid as the input power source is not very convincing at all,
to say the least, and the device that they built confirmed the ground loop, and suspiciously measured
the current in the current loop instead of the input current or output current. All things considered
Barbosa and Leal's devices seem pretty low to me at best on the OU credibility scale.

Your suggestion that because Barbosa and Leal have moved onto something completely different
(a chemical process to derive hydrogen from water) somehow supports the credibility of their
captor loop devices makes no sense. They have teamed up with a chemist and started a new
business that does not appear to be at all related to their former captor loop device claims. This
new chemical process they are claiming is supposed to not use electrolysis (no electricity), so
suggesting that it really uses their captor loop devices does not make any sense to me.

I won't keep repeating myself on this as I think all this should be pretty much self evident anyway.
At any rate, this is my own personal view of the Barbosa and Leal captor loop devices.

All the best...

[Hoppy]

When I consider all the different demos that kapanadze has done under different conditions, I know that as unlikely
as a real OU device may be that Kapanadze's various demonstrations up close in front of other people, all
taken together as a whole do stand up quite well to critical analysis.

All the best...

Hi Void,

Forgive me for labouring the point but his demos have not stood up to critical analysis in my opinion. Being close to his contraptions proved little because firstly we do not know how many in the crowd were part of his team. For example take the bearded man and TK's son standing next to each other in the green box garden video. Notice that they are flanked both sides by a man and a women. I saw nobody walk round between them to inspect the area around the bearded man. As you know, I am fairly sure that the bearded man holds the hidden power feed cable. The tester with the clamp meter is only allowed to clamp the wires directed by TK and is not seen looking closely at anything on the table. The rest of the crowd were just looking at the show from a distance.

Moving onto the Aqua 2 demo, as I have commented in the past, this was a joke, where from video evidence, no meter readings were shown because as I understand from a.king21 the testing team was not allowed to make any invasive measurements which would have been necessary with this setup. Despite this, the team appeared to be awestruck at the contraptions capability! As for the 1994 workshop video, there was far too much clutter on the bench around the contraption to really make any valued judgement as to whether it could have been genuine or not. Speculation heaped on speculation is all we really have. What we don't have and cannot have is any critical analysis and at this point in time, several years on from the events, its still 50/50 as to whether TK's contraptions are fake or genuine self-runners.

[Void]

Hi Hoppy. Well, I guess we disagree then. The Turkey demo and the island demos in
particular would be very hard to fake I think given that the potential investors would most
probably have been very much on their guard for any attempts to trick them, unless they were
complete morons, and I don't buy it as at all likely that those potential investors were all in on some elaborate
scam with Kapanadze when those demos were done. Seems quite unlikely to me. Until I see
some actual credible evidence of tricks or other skulduggery, I will leave the possibility open that Kapanadze's devices
may be legit.


All the best...