V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet

[vineet_kiran]

Video :

https://youtu.be/RCjekus9zLM

When magnetic field on the surface of a ring magnet is compressed using a small disc magnet with repelling pole,  the steel plate fixed on the surface of ring magnet is attracted towards compressed magnetic field area.  If oscillations of compression by disc magnet is synchronized with ring magnet movement, then the magnet rotates continuously. 

If you conduct the experiment,  you will see that,  at higher speeds, the force required to move the disc magnet becomes very less.  if this force is less than the force with which the steel plate is pulled towards compressed magnetic field area,  then it will lead to overunity.  It is very difficult to synchronize the movement of disc magnet with rotation of ring magnet by hand because it attains high speed if field is fully compressed.   If it is mechanized like a V Gate,  then the motion of ring magnet may become perpetual.

[Belfior]

Hmm what happens if there is a steel plate on top of the ring magnet? Does it still work?

[sm0ky2]

If it touches twice it makes 2 compressed field junctions


You can also use a 2nd smaller magnet instead of steel


Or just 2 magnets opposite the bearing instead of ring


Or 8 in a circle and a small lever w mag


Or.... any field topology other than horizontal

[vineet_kiran]

Hmm what happens if there is a steel plate on top of the ring magnet? Does it still work?

https://youtu.be/M6FyfU2C724

When a steel plate is placed on ring magnet,  it absorbs the flux of ring magnet hence we will not get strong compressed field and it will not work.

As smoky2 said if two small magnets are placed on either side of bearing,  it becomes a case of normal repulsion. Whatever force is supplied by hand is converted to rotation of the wheel.

The idea of using ring magnet is, both compressed field and steel plate remain on the wheel itself and steel plate is attracted towards compressed field caused by two magnets,  i.e,  the ring magnet and the magnet in hand whereas we have to move only the magnet in hand.  Hence there is a chance of steel plate being attracted to compressed field with twice the force required to move the magnet in hand for compression which will lead to overunity.

[sm0ky2]

If placed on a mechanical lever, two things happen


1) you remove the unknown variable of "hand"


And 2) the drive magnet becomes fixed along a set path.
          which eliminates circumferential oscillations of the drive magnet
          providing more rotational torque.


Overunity is not observed by hand, because you spend more energy trying
to hold the magnet still, than it takes to rotate the wheel.


You have to think in terms of Howard Johnson magnetics
As the magnet approaches the compression field it attracts
As it leaves it pushes the magnet back up


With the large piece of steel, the magnet can be attracted to the steel
which may cause problems, but placement and timing can dodge that situation


The function is in the field compression
Or change in flux over distance


If you think in terms of "field lines", there are more lines of flux in the compressed
part of the field, than there are in the relaxed (expanded) part of the field.


Magnets are always attracted to the point of lowest magnetic potential.
That is the most "lines of flux" per area, over the shortest distance.


They are repelled, to the point of greatest magnetic potential.
That is the least "lines of flux" per area, over the greatest (effective) distance.


Attract in, repel out.
Essential function of a magnetic gate.


The magnetic portion is not constrained by thermodynamics.
There is no time in the equation.
Energy includes time.


The mechanical portion is always entropic.
This is where people fail.
In a direct "OU" approach, the system should be designed such that
Entropy < Negentropy


Magnetic translational force over distance, must be greater than frictional losses
and other resistances in the system. (including undesirable magnetic effects)