170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video

[listener191]

Hello all,

I just spotted this thread and I was following Pierre's videos. Just I missed long discussion, wow!

So, I did read 41 pages of thread (mostly) and noticed it started going off the rails since page 30(typical as always). I would like to give a pinch for putting back to what was all about.

For Pierre - great job! I always dreamed about creating rotating magnetic field without moving magnet or coil and you just did it!..
For Luc and other builders - great job on taking interest and trying to assemble setup. Now need to finish your rigs for actual testing if you still have spare time.

Here are my thoughts for breaking down whole thing into building blocks:

1) To make induction we have to alternate magnetic field. Without moving magnets or coils we only can achieve that when adding or removing power from additional electromagnets. Then have neutral point and polarity reversed when going around circle with switch on/off groups. This is also reflected in given numbers from Pierre. Which are 36 electromagnets with 6 poles. Which breaks down to 6 electromagnets per pole (5 active and 1 switched off to give space between poles as per Pierre's explanation video).
2) By activating 1st then 2,3,4,5th electromagnets we increase and decrease magnetic field strength so we can alternate resulting magnetic field in the core inside of stator. Which makes induction as the magnetic field strength changes.
3) When shifting starting coil number we simulating moving magnet poles
4) As the electromagnet is not treated like transformer primary we spend all current on plain wire resistance when each coil is activated. Which means when we put load on or off on the center core coil it does not lower electromagnet inductance any more as we relay on coil wire resistance already.
5) By collecting BEMF after each coil is switching off or getting induction from neighbour coil we recover partial energy back to the bank of super-capacitors.
6) The generated power is looped back to the input and the excessive power is taken to the load.

Now to my questions and things required to test so we can understand exactly what is going on:
1) On the BEMF/inductance recovery.  Luc and others - can you try to power on coils in the sequence I mentioned and see what amount of power is getting to recover? This defines overall COP of the system before we start talking about induction part. This is very important so we will know how much power in percentage is required to make system self running.
2) How much power you can induce after smoothing over shotky HV diode bridge and high voltage cap?
3) If COP of the system before looping back is less than 70% - do we miss any crucial steps when making magnetic field increase/decrease in 6 steps resolution? Like too long duty cycle on coils or something like that...
4) Would Pierre elaborate on my post and give some comments on his view of the whole thing?

So, any volunteers for making tests?

Cheers!
T-1000

Hi T-1000,

I don't think anyone has a replication attempt running yet. There is a lot of work in this build.
In the moderated thread you will see that Pierre has stated that he did not want or expect anyone to replicate and he will be offering no further help.

Regards

L192

[listener191]

This thread has been amazing for me to read.  The ignorance exhibited here is really fun to watch.  If most of the people posting their excitement about a rotating magnetic field would have taken the time to do a little research about how AC induction motors work they would have known already that they work because they all have a ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD.  That is what makes the rotor ROTATE.  I am not talking about any other motor than the AC induction motor.  DC motors operate entirely differently.  As a side note, Tesla was the first person to visualize a way of making a motor operate from AC with a rotating magnetic field.

Now I am not saying that Pierre's device doesn't work.  I am only saying that a rotating magnetic field is not something magical.  The way that Pierre is doing it MAY have something to do with the results he is getting.  Or maybe not.  I would love to see a rotor similar to his inserted into a normal AC induction motor and just supply it with the normal rotating magnetic field that would be there.  For those that have access to 3 phase power the results may be very interesting.

Someone suggested his results might be because of the phase shift caused by the rotor not being in full contact with all of the stator coils.  The normal AC rotating magnetic field should not be any different in that respect than the rotating magnetic field produced by all that elaborate circuitry of Pierre's device.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Hi Cifta,

Yes there is nothing magical about a rotating magnetic field alone.

Pierre has already stated  in the moderated thread, that there is something else that we can't see/have not seen, that is required to get the result he obtained.
This something he will not reveal to us.

Regards

L192

[seaad]

Yes there is nothing magical about a rotating magnetic field alone.

Pierre has already stated  in the moderated thread, that there is something else that we can't see/have not seen, that is required to get the result he obtained.
This something he will not reveal to us.

L192

1) Study Pierres films to see if you can find the hidden cable .

Or,

2) Organize HERE some small experiments to perform research to find the hidden thing making O.U..
   Suggestions anybody?

" Summary from Pierre:
If you only rotates a magnetic field, you will not get much voltage (power?) because something is missing!  Rotation is only one aspect of the DZ, it's really more complicated than that.
People will be able to learn how to rotate a magnetic field but it will stop there, they won't get the result I have.  I keep the secret. I just wanted to show on YouTube what I and nobody else could do.
You'll have to discover the rest on your own. I can tell you it's not easy to achieve. "

Let's search for as Pierre says the "missing pistons" !   DZ,  D??  Z??, What? French?

Regards Arne

[e2matrix]

Hello all,

I just spotted this thread and I was following Pierre's videos. Just I missed long discussion, wow!

So, I did read 41 pages of thread (mostly) and noticed it started going off the rails since page 30(typical as always). I would like to give a pinch for putting back to what was all about.

For Pierre - great job! I always dreamed about creating rotating magnetic field without moving magnet or coil and you just did it!..
For Luc and other builders - great job on taking interest and trying to assemble setup. Now need to finish your rigs for actual testing if you still have spare time.

Here are my thoughts for breaking down whole thing into building blocks:

1) To make induction we have to alternate magnetic field. Without moving magnets or coils we only can achieve that when adding or removing power from additional electromagnets. Then have neutral point and polarity reversed when going around circle with switch on/off groups. This is also reflected in given numbers from Pierre. Which are 36 electromagnets with 6 poles. Which breaks down to 6 electromagnets per pole (5 active and 1 switched off to give space between poles as per Pierre's explanation video).
2) By activating 1st then 2,3,4,5th electromagnets we increase and decrease magnetic field strength so we can alternate resulting magnetic field in the core inside of stator. Which makes induction as the magnetic field strength changes.
3) When shifting starting coil number we simulating moving magnet poles
4) As the electromagnet is not treated like transformer primary we spend all current on plain wire resistance when each coil is activated. Which means when we put load on or off on the center core coil it does not lower electromagnet inductance any more as we relay on coil wire resistance already.
5) By collecting BEMF after each coil is switching off or getting induction from neighbour coil we recover partial energy back to the bank of super-capacitors.
6) The generated power is looped back to the input and the excessive power is taken to the load.

Now to my questions and things required to test so we can understand exactly what is going on:
1) On the BEMF/inductance recovery.  Luc and others - can you try to power on coils in the sequence I mentioned and see what amount of power is getting to recover? This defines overall COP of the system before we start talking about induction part. This is very important so we will know how much power in percentage is required to make system self running.
2) How much power you can induce after smoothing over shotky HV diode bridge and high voltage cap?
3) If COP of the system before looping back is less than 70% - do we miss any crucial steps when making magnetic field increase/decrease in 6 steps resolution? Like too long duty cycle on coils or something like that...
4) Would Pierre elaborate on my post and give some comments on his view of the whole thing?

So, any volunteers for making tests?

Cheers!
T-1000

Ahhh!   I knew we were still missing one of the great minds on this thread.   Glad to see you here T-1000!   Unfortunately due to some nonsense being flung around we may need to figure out a couple things here Pierre has opted out of sharing after he saw the bad behavior.  However I think between the coil winding info and the Arduino code he shared that some of the most difficult parts have been given out here and in Gotoluc's moderated thread on this device.   I think the 'piston power' he mentions as being the missing part may be related to how power is handled between the super caps and the system. 

[ramset]

e2Matrix
People are asking about all the Vids ?

Copies ??

I have none [never copy Vids]

IMO maybe Luc can ask Pierre if he is OK with that {reposting copies here if persons have them ??]

Perhaps he just removed them for a statement ??
If Pierre says OK...maybe  all the Vids could be put in the first post of the moderated thread.


I see Stefan has a Movie theater running here with Pierre's work ??
EDIT
No I stand corrected
movies here from Stefan on Pierre's work are not on My front forum page any longer {could be at Stefan's OU.Com Movie page collection somewhere ?

Chet
PS
As was already noted many times
Pierre is NOT closing this Topic
He is seeking help with
"how to open source"
prior to continuing .

Intermission...

But there is always Talking during intermission....