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170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video

Started by e2matrix, February 17, 2018, 01:03:05 PM

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gotoluc

Quote from: partzman on March 22, 2018, 11:53:38 AM
Luc,

IMO, the only difference between using a 30 pole or 36 pole stator would be in the timing of the pulses required to generate a 50Hz or 60 Hz output frequency.  The operation of field interactions should be the same in either case so, carry on! :)

Regards,
Pm

français
Luc,
À mon avis, la seule différence entre l'utilisation d'un stator à 30 ou 36 pôles serait la synchronisation des impulsions nécessaires pour générer une fréquence de sortie de 50 Hz ou 60 Hz. Le fonctionnement des interactions sur le terrain devrait être le même dans les deux cas, continuez! ;)
Cordialement,

I appreciate your experienced opinion partzman
The package you sent me has just arrived, thank you
I'll definitely carry on
Regards

Luc

français
J'apprécie votre opinion expérimentée partzman
Le colis que vous m'avez envoyé vient d'arriver, merci
Je vais certainement continuer
Cordialement

pmgr

I have made a theoretical plot for the inductance of the coils for the 36 slot stator. What Luc has measured is very similar to what simulations show, see attached plots for comparison.

The max inductance with the rotor present is about 4x the inductance of a coil without a rotor present. So going around the stator, the coils will see a periodic change in their inductance with a 2-fold symmetry (two periods per full 360deg revolution), while the N-S poles have a 3 fold symmetry (three periods per full 360deg revolution).

PmgR

Fr. J'ai fait un tracé théorique de l'inductance des bobines pour le stator à 36 fentes. Ce que Luc a mesuré est très similaire à ce que montrent les simulations, voir les graphiques ci-joints pour les comparer.
L'inductance maximale avec le rotor présent est d'environ 4x l'inductance d'une bobine sans rotor présent. Donc, en faisant le tour du stator, les bobines subiront une variation périodique de leur inductance avec une symétrie double (deux périodes par révolution complète de 360deg), alors que les pôles N-S auront une symétrie triple (trois périodes par rotation complète de 360deg).

partzman

Quote from: pmgr on March 22, 2018, 01:49:46 PM
I have made a theoretical plot for the inductance of the coils for the 36 slot stator. What Luc has measured is very similar to what simulations show, see attached plots for comparison.


The max inductance with the rotor present is about 4x the inductance of a coil without a rotor present. So going around the stator, the coils will see a periodic change in their inductance with a 2-fold symmetry (two periods per full 360deg revolution), while the N-S poles have a 3 fold symmetry (three periods per full 360deg revolution).


PmgR

OK, for those who are looking for a possible source of the excess energy in Pierre's device here it is, the parametric inductance change in the coils near to the fixed rotor.  There will be complex field interactions when this and other things are considered such as current/flux shuttling between overlapping coils, leakage inductance between windings, plus any field collapse activity along the stator, etc.

Luc- Glad to hear you received the parts! ;)

français
OK, pour ceux qui sont à la recherche d'une source possible de l'excès d'énergie dans le dispositif de Pierre, c'est le changement d'inductance paramétrique dans les bobines près du rotor fixe. Il y aura des interactions complexes sur le champ lorsque ceci et d'autres facteurs sont pris en compte, comme la circulation de courant / flux entre les bobine chevauchantes, l'inductance de fuite entre les enroulements,  plus toute activité d'effondrement du champ le long du stator, etc.
Luc - Content d'entendre que vous avez reçu les pièces! ;)
Cordialement,

Regards,
Pm

Jeg

Quote from: partzman on March 22, 2018, 11:53:38 AM
The operation of field interactions should be the same in either case so, carry on! :)

The inventor himself have said that he would prefer a stator with more coils so to produce more steps for the wave build up. So the number of coils looks like it contributes only to the output power and not to the manifestation of the ''effect''.

When Pierre published his first video it happens that I was experimenting on beat frequency over my yoke transformer. With this in mind I asked Pierre if he uses a variable duty cycle while the field is rotating. His answer was yes but there is always the possibility of miscommunication. So I post again his answer to me for translation by Luc.

Regards

Quote by Pierre

pour le duty cycle on peut dire que oui il est variable pour de qui est des relais je me demande comment ils ont fait pour tenir  la vitesse qu'il allait une chance que je n'ai pas mit le voltage que je voulait tester pour de ce qui est de la vitesse des relais j'en ai aucune idée trop vite a mon gout le prochain prototype il y auras des mosfet a la place moin de bruit et surtout plus rapide 

   

ariovaldo

Quote from: gotoluc on March 22, 2018, 11:07:45 AM
Glad you're still testing!
Is the stator we see in the pictur a 36 slot?
Please keep us updated as you do your tests
Looking forward to your results good or bad
Thanks for sharing

Luc

français
Je suis content que vous testiez encore!
Est-ce que le stator que nous voyons dans la photo est un 36 fente?
S'il vous plaît gardez-nous à jour pendant que vous faites vos tests
Dans l'attente de vos résultats, bons ou mauvais
Merci d'avoir partagé


Yes, 36 slots.