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12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !

Started by hartiberlin, November 30, 2006, 06:11:41 PM

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TinselKoala

Quote from: Nabo00o on June 11, 2009, 09:52:26 AM
Its true, as long as you don't dissipate that energy somehow it will only be stored as momentum in the setup, a little bit like the flywheel effect.

Do like I did, connect the heavy hammer end to a bicycle pump, this way you can store the energy and easily regulate how much resistance the hammer meets by regulating the pressure stored.

This can also advance your setup further to a possible self-sustaining mechanism, I myself haven't reached that far yet but keep trying  ;)

Naboo

I have suggested the "bicycle pump" idea several times to the Milkovic researchers. The pneumatic pumps can function on both directional strokes of the output end, regardless of magnitude of stroke or timing of stroke. And the compressed air or gas can be efficiently stored and transported, and a pneumatic cylinder can be used on the input end to actuate the system. And losses and energy transfer in pneumatic systems are well-understood.

Of course, if you use this system it will become very clear very quickly that the Milkovic oscillator is in no way over-unity at all, much less "12 times more output than input."

Which is why, after all is said and done, the "researchers" won't use this system to test or evaluate their chaotic pendulum oscillator systems.

Nabo00o

Another statement combined with what you said:

When all is said and done, the first will be the last  :)

I'm not a Christian at all, but there is some serious logic in the original message....

Naboo
Static energy...
Dynamic energy...
Two forms of the same.

Merg

Quote from: andrea on June 11, 2009, 08:36:03 AM
Hello to everyone, I'm Andrea from Italy. I've tried to to demonstrate the excess of energy in the Milkovic's system: look at my channel 
http://www.youtube.com/user/babarlizia
the videos "Pendolo Bifase" 1, 2 and 3. In the explanation of every video clip there is the calculus of input and output. Every video clip has an explanation in Italian and, then, it's translated in English. Hope I've not make too many errors  :)
Please, if any think that there are errors in the calculus, tell me you are welcome.
Best Regards to all!
Andrea
Congratulations for the experiments and videos.

We have had the similar methodology for input/output measurement:
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Analysis_Jovan_Bebic_2-measuring.pdf

and later after the re-calculation of above results we got the correct output measurement (at the end of page 11 + page 12):
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Key_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf#page=11

utilitarian

Quote from: Merg on June 11, 2009, 04:02:13 PM
Congratulations for the experiments and videos.

We have had the similar methodology for input/output measurement:
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Analysis_Jovan_Bebic_2-measuring.pdf

and later after the re-calculation of above results we got the correct output measurement (at the end of page 11 + page 12):
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Jovan_Marjanovic_Key_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf#page=11

I like much of what you say, but I cannot believe you are buying into the inertial propulsion cart.  Can't you see that Milkovic is simply using friction to retard the gentler reaction force?  The forward thrust is quick, while the reverse is slow, hence the forward motion.

In space, with no friction, such a method would be impossible, so your proposed method for the astronaut to propel himself by moving weights back and forth has no chance of working.

Merg

Quote from: tagor on June 11, 2009, 12:34:38 AM

Yes "distance AGAINST resistance" !
it is necessary to load the system !!

daniel

air resistance is the load?!

@i_ron: simply put your output hammer in the bucket of water and you will get water (fluid resistance) as the load :)